Re: [新聞]台灣財富匯集黃金四縣市 - 經濟
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以下的論述也是很長
為了方便閱讀 先將重點寫出
1.推論邏輯
2.高科技產業
3.金融業
1.推論邏輯與實證
既然這裡是經濟版 我想論述事情的時候還是得回歸到推論邏輯與實證
其實這是我最關心的一點
經濟理論在畢業之後 或許隨著時間的流逝 會逐漸的忘記
但是邏輯推論與實證的訓練是一輩子受用的
但在這常常會看到這樣的錯誤一直出現
除了實證之外(例如有人會以自身體認來論證 卻不在發表之前先查驗一下)
更嚴重的問題是推論過程
常常看到情況先有結論再去推論或找理由
例如
推 edkoven:補助電子業可以使整體經濟受益 很多人批評 219.71.185.50 02/20 08:46
→ edkoven:但是我是支持的 219.71.185.50 02/20 08:48
不思考推論過程 而直接思考結論 這樣子是很難說服別人的
甚至造成反效果 讓別人認為你直接受益者 妳的言論只是為了保護自己的利益
其實我比較好奇edkoven網友的背景
在這之前我就看過網友發表一些關於經濟理論的一些文章
我想推edkovne是受過經濟學的思考訓練的
但是一連串看下來
從個人認知來推論 會是先有結論再有推論
一連串的邏輯推論錯誤 真的會讓我有點懷疑...
另外有些網友常常犯的一些問題是將A結論套用在B前提中
例如台灣的經濟是靠製造業 所以理工最強 所以應該輔導高科技產業
2.高科技產業
姑且不論是否該給高科技產業特殊優惠
特殊優惠如果沒有良好的落日條款或配套措施
會造成以下的問題
A.最嚴重的問題是該產業會認為這些特殊優惠本來就是他們就有的競爭優勢
所以不會去思考企業的下一步在哪
舉例來說 假設某企業資本額100億 營利事業所得稅25%
又假設該企業在股東報酬率降到5%的時候會思考轉型
稅前損益100億的情況下
有課稅 無課稅
稅後損益 75億 100億
股東報酬率 75% 100%
---
稅前損益6.67億
有課稅 無課稅
稅後損益 5億 6.67億
股東報酬率 5% 6.67%
該企業如有課稅 那麼在稅前損益降到6.67億的時候就該思考企業的下一步在哪了
如企業無課稅
不僅造成社會資本投向無效率的企業
更嚴重的是企業會故意隱藏這項警訊而儘早思考下一步在哪
我為什麼會舉這例子
主要就是因為高科技業起伏相當大
五年前的高獲利產品現在可能已經變成垃圾了
至於其他問題在這不多說
3.金融業
推 gate2:台灣金融業和電子業相比奔本是扶不起的阿斗 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:22
→ gate2:電子業已經以全球市場為主要戰場的現在金融 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:23
→ gate2:業連台灣都跨不出去 政府投資也講求效益 投 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:24
→ gate2:資較無效益的產業是cool的主張嗎?
gata2網友的論述真的挺幽默的
政府投資主張效益 台灣金融業跨不出去所以政府不必投資或輔導金融業
這不是打人的喊救人嗎?
全世界的金融市場除了當地政府有管制之外 台灣金融業幾乎都能去設點或慢慢切入
唯獨未來報酬率最高 台灣金融業最有競爭優勢的大陸市場跨不進去
銀行對於台商大陸的金融往來沒法做
券商到香港發展業務更被掐死
你覺得是誰造成的?
政府對金融業的輔導主要有二
1.請盡早放寬台灣金融業有競爭力的業務
2.不要搞一些辦不到的措施浪費資源和時間 例如定上市櫃上市目標
3.請加強監理機制 不要老是等到金融問題爆出來的時候再跳出來
金融業要的不是錢 錢有本事自己賺就好
只求政府不要掐著金融業的脖子而已 讓台灣的金融業只能在台灣自己人砍自己人價格
--
為了方便閱讀 先將重點寫出
1.推論邏輯
2.高科技產業
3.金融業
1.推論邏輯與實證
既然這裡是經濟版 我想論述事情的時候還是得回歸到推論邏輯與實證
其實這是我最關心的一點
經濟理論在畢業之後 或許隨著時間的流逝 會逐漸的忘記
但是邏輯推論與實證的訓練是一輩子受用的
但在這常常會看到這樣的錯誤一直出現
除了實證之外(例如有人會以自身體認來論證 卻不在發表之前先查驗一下)
更嚴重的問題是推論過程
常常看到情況先有結論再去推論或找理由
例如
推 edkoven:補助電子業可以使整體經濟受益 很多人批評 219.71.185.50 02/20 08:46
→ edkoven:但是我是支持的 219.71.185.50 02/20 08:48
不思考推論過程 而直接思考結論 這樣子是很難說服別人的
甚至造成反效果 讓別人認為你直接受益者 妳的言論只是為了保護自己的利益
其實我比較好奇edkoven網友的背景
在這之前我就看過網友發表一些關於經濟理論的一些文章
我想推edkovne是受過經濟學的思考訓練的
但是一連串看下來
從個人認知來推論 會是先有結論再有推論
一連串的邏輯推論錯誤 真的會讓我有點懷疑...
另外有些網友常常犯的一些問題是將A結論套用在B前提中
例如台灣的經濟是靠製造業 所以理工最強 所以應該輔導高科技產業
2.高科技產業
姑且不論是否該給高科技產業特殊優惠
特殊優惠如果沒有良好的落日條款或配套措施
會造成以下的問題
A.最嚴重的問題是該產業會認為這些特殊優惠本來就是他們就有的競爭優勢
所以不會去思考企業的下一步在哪
舉例來說 假設某企業資本額100億 營利事業所得稅25%
又假設該企業在股東報酬率降到5%的時候會思考轉型
稅前損益100億的情況下
有課稅 無課稅
稅後損益 75億 100億
股東報酬率 75% 100%
---
稅前損益6.67億
有課稅 無課稅
稅後損益 5億 6.67億
股東報酬率 5% 6.67%
該企業如有課稅 那麼在稅前損益降到6.67億的時候就該思考企業的下一步在哪了
如企業無課稅
不僅造成社會資本投向無效率的企業
更嚴重的是企業會故意隱藏這項警訊而儘早思考下一步在哪
我為什麼會舉這例子
主要就是因為高科技業起伏相當大
五年前的高獲利產品現在可能已經變成垃圾了
至於其他問題在這不多說
3.金融業
推 gate2:台灣金融業和電子業相比奔本是扶不起的阿斗 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:22
→ gate2:電子業已經以全球市場為主要戰場的現在金融 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:23
→ gate2:業連台灣都跨不出去 政府投資也講求效益 投 61.223.213.249 02/20 13:24
→ gate2:資較無效益的產業是cool的主張嗎?
gata2網友的論述真的挺幽默的
政府投資主張效益 台灣金融業跨不出去所以政府不必投資或輔導金融業
這不是打人的喊救人嗎?
全世界的金融市場除了當地政府有管制之外 台灣金融業幾乎都能去設點或慢慢切入
唯獨未來報酬率最高 台灣金融業最有競爭優勢的大陸市場跨不進去
銀行對於台商大陸的金融往來沒法做
券商到香港發展業務更被掐死
你覺得是誰造成的?
政府對金融業的輔導主要有二
1.請盡早放寬台灣金融業有競爭力的業務
2.不要搞一些辦不到的措施浪費資源和時間 例如定上市櫃上市目標
3.請加強監理機制 不要老是等到金融問題爆出來的時候再跳出來
金融業要的不是錢 錢有本事自己賺就好
只求政府不要掐著金融業的脖子而已 讓台灣的金融業只能在台灣自己人砍自己人價格
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