悶爆了 - 期貨
By Anthony
at 2011-01-26T23:22
at 2011-01-26T23:22
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查了一下定義:
1、「權利金即為選擇權之價值 ,權利金係由供需決定,且隨各種市場狀況變動」
2、「選擇權買方繳交權利金之後,便無任何義務與風險」
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個人覺得這次的重點是在於「市價單」。
因為沒人事先能知道市場價格會跑到什麼地步,才叫市價單,也有別於漲停價的限價單。
市價單的意思是不管價格多少,只要有人開價,我就要吃。
所以SASA下市價單,意思已經表明了達到「成交口數」的優先性 > 「價格」的優先性。
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那麼她到底能下幾口?
根據定義1:KGI check過市場價格,可以下1000口。(所以KGI是有查核過的)
再來KGI送單到期交所,根據定義1、此時市價已變640。
(由於SASA下市價單,KGI的認知中,成交1000口優先性大於任何價格,
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所以再貴也要成交。讓客戶以最快的速度成交,才是盡期貨商的本份,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
而不是一口口check)
而結局也並無違反定義2,因為此時的權利金,是指900萬(市價640),
也就是指交了900萬的權利金後,再也無任何風險。
因此,KGI過程中並無過錯,而900萬元才是SASA該交的權利金,而非30萬元。
說代墊保證金的更好笑,我KGI(仲介)接到妳要買1000口,我查了目前市價
可以叫1000口,妳也簽過市價單切結書(看清楚,非限價),我就幫妳叫了,
我KGI只負責抽手續費,成交價格是妳跟賣家之間的事,那來的代墊。
一堆人連權利金跟保證金都搞不清楚,權擇權買方既為一種權利而非義務,
為取得此權利,自然必須付出一定的代價,此代價便是選擇權的價值,
也就是權利金(premium)。賣方取得權利金之後,便背負履約義務,
為保證到期能履行義務,賣方必須支付一定金額,稱為保證金(margin)
妳要爭取權利,本來就要多付出溢價(primium的本意)。
所以此案從頭到尾根本就沒有保證金夠不夠下的問題,只有市場價格的問題。
妳買到妳不喜歡的價位(但妳事先已同意過),that's all。
如果SASA下的是10點的「限價單」而成交在600點,這才是KGI該負責的錯誤。
開戶時,市價單風險預告書不是簽假的,妳知道風險還要下市價單,
,就明白表示有願意及能力用滑價的風險來換取成交的速度。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
期貨商已經盡本份照妳的意思下單了。如果今天一口一口慢慢成交,花了10鐘,
這之間剛好又來個921,妳是不是又要來靠杯KGI到底在搞什麼,我都下「市價單」了耶。
少賺了幾百萬元,是不是又要叫期貨商賠?都給妳講就好了。
一堆人死腦筋,為何30萬可以買900萬的東西?因為是苦主自己要求要買的。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
在流動性不足的市場,市價單+滑價就可以做得到這一點。
這根本不是風控的問題,而是「必然的現象」。要所謂的「風控」,就要犧牺速度。
市價單就跟飛機要加速起飛一樣,速度越快,理論上越容易飛起來,
但也有可能還沒飛起來就失控撞牆。給它限速,的確不會撞牆了,但可能也飛不起來了。
這是一種trade-off。什麼Market with Protection、上下幾檔為限的市價單、
以多少價格去預估○○╳╳…的,那些都非真正的市價單(意義不同),
在快市皆有無法成交的可能。
※期貨商是怕自己被搞(人頭戶洗錢)才修正程式的,而非為了客戶的權益。
所以就本例而言,期貨商是依然是沒有錯的。
※ 引述《Ting1024 (無)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《wfelix (清雲)》之銘言:
: : 重點在於凱基沒有符合目前的規則喔
: : 客戶戶頭有多少權利金,你只能幫他買多少權利金以內的東西
: : 期交所是沒有市價單這種東西的
: 我覺得還是不要人云亦云比較好...
: 期貨怎麼可能沒市價單
: http://www.taifex.com.tw/chinese/4/4_1_5_2.htm
: 市價單的成交順序>限價單
: 亦即,市價買進丟出去的優先順序仍高於 「限價漲停委託」..
: 市價是多少?市價無價,市價買進的意思就是,只要外盤
: 有單,就是市價單先拿。
: 太保守的認定會失去市價單的意義...
: : 市價一千口的意思是幫客戶下 漲停價格1千口
: : 以苦主的戶頭餘額來看,限價6元一千口都會被噹說權利金不足,交易失敗了
: : 為何漲停價(6XX元) 限價一千口,卻會被委託出去?
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1、「權利金即為選擇權之價值 ,權利金係由供需決定,且隨各種市場狀況變動」
2、「選擇權買方繳交權利金之後,便無任何義務與風險」
............................................................................
個人覺得這次的重點是在於「市價單」。
因為沒人事先能知道市場價格會跑到什麼地步,才叫市價單,也有別於漲停價的限價單。
市價單的意思是不管價格多少,只要有人開價,我就要吃。
所以SASA下市價單,意思已經表明了達到「成交口數」的優先性 > 「價格」的優先性。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
那麼她到底能下幾口?
根據定義1:KGI check過市場價格,可以下1000口。(所以KGI是有查核過的)
再來KGI送單到期交所,根據定義1、此時市價已變640。
(由於SASA下市價單,KGI的認知中,成交1000口優先性大於任何價格,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
所以再貴也要成交。讓客戶以最快的速度成交,才是盡期貨商的本份,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
而不是一口口check)
而結局也並無違反定義2,因為此時的權利金,是指900萬(市價640),
也就是指交了900萬的權利金後,再也無任何風險。
因此,KGI過程中並無過錯,而900萬元才是SASA該交的權利金,而非30萬元。
說代墊保證金的更好笑,我KGI(仲介)接到妳要買1000口,我查了目前市價
可以叫1000口,妳也簽過市價單切結書(看清楚,非限價),我就幫妳叫了,
我KGI只負責抽手續費,成交價格是妳跟賣家之間的事,那來的代墊。
一堆人連權利金跟保證金都搞不清楚,權擇權買方既為一種權利而非義務,
為取得此權利,自然必須付出一定的代價,此代價便是選擇權的價值,
也就是權利金(premium)。賣方取得權利金之後,便背負履約義務,
為保證到期能履行義務,賣方必須支付一定金額,稱為保證金(margin)
妳要爭取權利,本來就要多付出溢價(primium的本意)。
所以此案從頭到尾根本就沒有保證金夠不夠下的問題,只有市場價格的問題。
妳買到妳不喜歡的價位(但妳事先已同意過),that's all。
如果SASA下的是10點的「限價單」而成交在600點,這才是KGI該負責的錯誤。
開戶時,市價單風險預告書不是簽假的,妳知道風險還要下市價單,
,就明白表示有願意及能力用滑價的風險來換取成交的速度。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
期貨商已經盡本份照妳的意思下單了。如果今天一口一口慢慢成交,花了10鐘,
這之間剛好又來個921,妳是不是又要來靠杯KGI到底在搞什麼,我都下「市價單」了耶。
少賺了幾百萬元,是不是又要叫期貨商賠?都給妳講就好了。
一堆人死腦筋,為何30萬可以買900萬的東西?因為是苦主自己要求要買的。
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
在流動性不足的市場,市價單+滑價就可以做得到這一點。
這根本不是風控的問題,而是「必然的現象」。要所謂的「風控」,就要犧牺速度。
市價單就跟飛機要加速起飛一樣,速度越快,理論上越容易飛起來,
但也有可能還沒飛起來就失控撞牆。給它限速,的確不會撞牆了,但可能也飛不起來了。
這是一種trade-off。什麼Market with Protection、上下幾檔為限的市價單、
以多少價格去預估○○╳╳…的,那些都非真正的市價單(意義不同),
在快市皆有無法成交的可能。
※期貨商是怕自己被搞(人頭戶洗錢)才修正程式的,而非為了客戶的權益。
所以就本例而言,期貨商是依然是沒有錯的。
※ 引述《Ting1024 (無)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《wfelix (清雲)》之銘言:
: : 重點在於凱基沒有符合目前的規則喔
: : 客戶戶頭有多少權利金,你只能幫他買多少權利金以內的東西
: : 期交所是沒有市價單這種東西的
: 我覺得還是不要人云亦云比較好...
: 期貨怎麼可能沒市價單
: http://www.taifex.com.tw/chinese/4/4_1_5_2.htm
: 市價單的成交順序>限價單
: 亦即,市價買進丟出去的優先順序仍高於 「限價漲停委託」..
: 市價是多少?市價無價,市價買進的意思就是,只要外盤
: 有單,就是市價單先拿。
: 太保守的認定會失去市價單的意義...
: : 市價一千口的意思是幫客戶下 漲停價格1千口
: : 以苦主的戶頭餘額來看,限價6元一千口都會被噹說權利金不足,交易失敗了
: : 為何漲停價(6XX元) 限價一千口,卻會被委託出去?
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