韓國瑜看衰潛艦國造…台船被惹怒!工會幹 - 股票
By Kelly
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※ 引述《Reewalker (報告饅頭班長不夠)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結:
: https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=633255
: 2.原文內容:
: 韓國瑜日前在基隆和青年座談時批評政府的「潛艦國造」,不但認同基隆市立委參選人宋
: 瑋莉說的「潛艦國造是假議題」,還嘲諷地說「若政府說要造航空母艦呢?要登陸月球呢
: ?」而今日台船工會一份動員出席蔡英文高雄競總成立大會的通知單也在韓國瑜陣營的臉
: 書社團、粉絲團廣為流傳,也引發韓粉熱議,更有人痛批政府把黑手伸進國營企業。
: 對此,台船工會理事長黃日進則是出面坦承有動員行動,並指出工會理監事已通過支持蔡
: 英文連任,啟動輔選並動員是名正言順的事。黃日進更指出,台船工會每逢選舉就會召開
: 理監事會議決議力挺的人選,並強調不分黨派,而這次之所以支持蔡英文,就是因為蔡英
: 文上任後全力支持台船的重大建設,其中潛艦國造、風電等更是重大影響台船的業務,基
: 於蔡政府照顧台船,工會也會全力支持蔡英文連任。
: 此外,據《ETtoday新聞雲》報導,就有工會幹部指出,韓國瑜陣營對於產業根本就是相
: 當陌生,不管是台船或是其它的國營事業工會,自主性都相當高,認為韓陣營若不是要抹
: 黑的話,就是根本不懂;工會幹部更說,韓國瑜反對潛艦國造,根本就是要扼殺造船產業
: ,斷了大家的生路,「韓國瑜的骨子裡根本就是威權心態」。(林奇樺報導)
: 3.心得/評論:
: 台灣理組到底有沒有能力造潛艦
: 台船該買進嗎
: 國家政策搖擺不定有點令人擔心
小弟航運業
我只能說離岸風電 / 潛艦國造
大概都是那種總經理副總經理說拜託絕對不能碰!!
然後董事長開會決議說好公司就朝這個方向做下去~~~~的東西
業內看到應該知道我不是在開玩笑
一個一個看
----
離岸風電可不可能搞 ? 會不會盈利 ?
可以啊, 長期來看可以回收,但大概是投入500億1000億 花80年100年回收吧, 考慮到資金鏈會不會斷掉跟維修問題可能要更久來回收
超級超級長期的投資項目
那你不願意在自己任內搞, 然後給別人割稻尾 ? 還是連孫子都不一定割的到的稻尾
大概問10個 11個都會跟你說這是錢坑, 填夠多錢下去也許有機會補滿溢出來
多出來那一個是在旁邊聽到跟你答腔的
所以平心而論, 願意真的洗頭下去做的, 我真心是覺得這看很長遠的
花出去的錢多到看了會怕就是了
開心的是現在有把頭洗下去了
而且風電技術是永續能源裡相對成熟的
這種虧本生意真的只能國家機器推動來做,真心希望希望下任執政黨不管誰能繼續推動
----
潛艦國造能不能搞 ? 會不會盈利 ?
理想上我希望能搞, 但是問題太多
船的構成有很多東西(關鍵零件)是寡佔甚至是壟斷的
你一採購下去, 人家就知道你想幹嘛了
像絕命毒師裡面有人大量買感冒藥一樣, 一買就知道你想搞什麼鬼
但又不能先不定, 跟機票一樣
最關鍵的東西要先訂好, 然後才買其他的鋼板阿船殼阿螺旋槳阿鋼構阿
英國做兩條航空母艦花了2400多億, 一條就是1200億
新的核子潛艦跟航母價格大概差不多啦
不過人家是建立在自己有完整造軍用船隻的基礎上
我們要重頭來過的話, 那個畫面太美, 我不敢粗推想像, 順利的話可能要我玄孫燒香跟我說國家做出來了
一樣
用錢能堆出來肯定舉雙手贊成, 但就是錢坑
----
結論
做了再說, 不要沒做就開始吹, 因為你有生之年根本就看不到成果, 沒人能檢驗的東西無法邏輯推論必定100%能實現, 終歸只是理論上可行
望國富民強
--
: 1.原文連結:
: https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=633255
: 2.原文內容:
: 韓國瑜日前在基隆和青年座談時批評政府的「潛艦國造」,不但認同基隆市立委參選人宋
: 瑋莉說的「潛艦國造是假議題」,還嘲諷地說「若政府說要造航空母艦呢?要登陸月球呢
: ?」而今日台船工會一份動員出席蔡英文高雄競總成立大會的通知單也在韓國瑜陣營的臉
: 書社團、粉絲團廣為流傳,也引發韓粉熱議,更有人痛批政府把黑手伸進國營企業。
: 對此,台船工會理事長黃日進則是出面坦承有動員行動,並指出工會理監事已通過支持蔡
: 英文連任,啟動輔選並動員是名正言順的事。黃日進更指出,台船工會每逢選舉就會召開
: 理監事會議決議力挺的人選,並強調不分黨派,而這次之所以支持蔡英文,就是因為蔡英
: 文上任後全力支持台船的重大建設,其中潛艦國造、風電等更是重大影響台船的業務,基
: 於蔡政府照顧台船,工會也會全力支持蔡英文連任。
: 此外,據《ETtoday新聞雲》報導,就有工會幹部指出,韓國瑜陣營對於產業根本就是相
: 當陌生,不管是台船或是其它的國營事業工會,自主性都相當高,認為韓陣營若不是要抹
: 黑的話,就是根本不懂;工會幹部更說,韓國瑜反對潛艦國造,根本就是要扼殺造船產業
: ,斷了大家的生路,「韓國瑜的骨子裡根本就是威權心態」。(林奇樺報導)
: 3.心得/評論:
: 台灣理組到底有沒有能力造潛艦
: 台船該買進嗎
: 國家政策搖擺不定有點令人擔心
小弟航運業
我只能說離岸風電 / 潛艦國造
大概都是那種總經理副總經理說拜託絕對不能碰!!
然後董事長開會決議說好公司就朝這個方向做下去~~~~的東西
業內看到應該知道我不是在開玩笑
一個一個看
----
離岸風電可不可能搞 ? 會不會盈利 ?
可以啊, 長期來看可以回收,但大概是投入500億1000億 花80年100年回收吧, 考慮到資金鏈會不會斷掉跟維修問題可能要更久來回收
超級超級長期的投資項目
那你不願意在自己任內搞, 然後給別人割稻尾 ? 還是連孫子都不一定割的到的稻尾
大概問10個 11個都會跟你說這是錢坑, 填夠多錢下去也許有機會補滿溢出來
多出來那一個是在旁邊聽到跟你答腔的
所以平心而論, 願意真的洗頭下去做的, 我真心是覺得這看很長遠的
花出去的錢多到看了會怕就是了
開心的是現在有把頭洗下去了
而且風電技術是永續能源裡相對成熟的
這種虧本生意真的只能國家機器推動來做,真心希望希望下任執政黨不管誰能繼續推動
----
潛艦國造能不能搞 ? 會不會盈利 ?
理想上我希望能搞, 但是問題太多
船的構成有很多東西(關鍵零件)是寡佔甚至是壟斷的
你一採購下去, 人家就知道你想幹嘛了
像絕命毒師裡面有人大量買感冒藥一樣, 一買就知道你想搞什麼鬼
但又不能先不定, 跟機票一樣
最關鍵的東西要先訂好, 然後才買其他的鋼板阿船殼阿螺旋槳阿鋼構阿
英國做兩條航空母艦花了2400多億, 一條就是1200億
新的核子潛艦跟航母價格大概差不多啦
不過人家是建立在自己有完整造軍用船隻的基礎上
我們要重頭來過的話, 那個畫面太美, 我不敢粗推想像, 順利的話可能要我玄孫燒香跟我說國家做出來了
一樣
用錢能堆出來肯定舉雙手贊成, 但就是錢坑
----
結論
做了再說, 不要沒做就開始吹, 因為你有生之年根本就看不到成果, 沒人能檢驗的東西無法邏輯推論必定100%能實現, 終歸只是理論上可行
望國富民強
--
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