陳博志︰馬遲不認錯 會害慘台灣 - 股票
By Steve
at 2008-12-02T15:44
at 2008-12-02T15:44
Table of Contents
1.原文連結:http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/081201/78/1ad7m.html
2.內容:
馬英九上台,台灣經濟跌到最谷底,台灣智庫董事長陳博志接受訪問,提出馬政府的八
項錯誤,他認為,馬團隊必須先承認錯誤,而後才可能改正錯誤,若繼續死不認錯,
會害死台灣經濟。
記者問:請你分析我們國家面臨的外部挑戰主要有哪些?
陳博志答:這次的金融風暴,造成全球股價下跌,美國金融機構出問題,次貸、二房、
雷曼破產,我們的金融機構受到連帶損失,但這些影響其實不是最嚴重的。嚴重的是因
為這些影響,使得美國與一些先進國家的經濟情況不好,造成二、三十年的金融體系操
作方式無法繼續下去,他們的進口減少,我們的出口當然減少,這是最大的打擊,馬政
府沒有了解到這點,一直在看股市,搞錯了方向。
人民各種抗議 一概當做沒看到
--------馬政府想依賴中國----------
有人說中國也許還有百分之七、八的成長率,於是馬政府又想去利用中國,但很不幸的
,中國對我們又是另一打擊,因為中國也是靠出口到美國在成長,現在沒辦法再這麼快
速出口到美國去,中國經濟成長因此下降。
首先,我們進口很多原料到中國,中國對美國出口減少,就不會再買我們的原料,這些
加工廠很多是台商,這些台商在那邊受到損失,有可能會發生債留台灣的問題,造成我
們經濟成長下降。
過去我們賣很多資本設備給中國,如果他的經濟成長由十二降到八,表面上看只降四個
百分點,但是所需要的資本設備會減少三分之一,這就會產生相當衝擊,因為過度
依賴中國。
有人說中國會擴大內需,這點有些台商會分到一點好處,但整體非常有限,國際上追求經
濟成長基本有三種方法,一個是擴大內需,這很困難,很少國家這樣做,偶爾做一些都
是很有限的;真正經濟成長的主力是另兩個,一個是出口擴張,中國在遭遇不景氣時也
要出口擴張,他們現在已經提高出口退稅率,人民幣不再升值甚至要貶值,這麼做會替
代台灣產品的國際市場;更常用的則是進口替代,貿易壁壘不讓他國產品進來,其他國
家受到WTO限制不太能這樣做,中國是獨裁國家,他會努力這麼做。在這種雙重情勢
下,馬政府還要一直開放對中國的投資,就會造成更大的衝擊。
-------------------
問:在這種大情勢下,馬政府上台後的一系列政策似乎都有所牴觸,能否提出具體實例
加以剖析?
-----------失業率早上升 才想到增加就業-------------
陳:他犯的錯實在太多了!基本上可以分八項來講。第一是輕忽民意,馬政府比較不重
視人民,較重視資本家或經濟成長數字。剛上任時,油價在漲,人民關切物價問題,馬
政府卻關心市場經濟,急得把油價反映成本,並且不顧人民感受,在下班前宣布,突襲
人民。
現在不景氣,人民最重視就業,因為失業的傷害很大,但馬政府卻只在意經濟成長,五
個月前在野黨建議退稅濟貧,他不同意,還把全部力量放在擴大內需、刺激股市,差別
很大,我做為一個小老百姓,我管它經濟成長多少?我有沒有工作才是最重要的。到目
前為止,馬政府花在救股市與救企業家的錢,遠大於人民,特別是弱勢的人民。對於任
何政策他都說要多和人民溝通,意思是我沒有錯,是你們人民不了解。
第二是違背事實,不只方向錯,目標也訂錯。競選時說六三三,就我們這個高所得國家
,即使四年平均經濟成長百分之六,也是辦不到的,失業率百分之三亦同,這兩個數字
只有新加坡達到,但新加坡是一直引進外籍勞工,人數一直在增加,但平均所得增加並
沒有比我們快,就業率相同,這是分母分子個別加了外勞造成,馬總統不了解,因此在
追求一個錯誤達不到的目標。
景氣變不好,現在看更清楚,第三季已經負成長,七月已經哀鴻遍野了,可是馬政府還
說要追求百分之六成長率,預算還編百分之五點○八,一直等到上個星期主計處把數字
攤出來,他才要相信。預算編得差這麼多,明年如果經濟成長是零或負成長,則高估超
過一千億以上,這個預算若不退回,到了明年底會周轉不過去,到時候說政府不能破產
,只好擴大借錢,不論是不了解事實或故意不了解事實,都很糟糕。
公共建設砸錢 卻不管執行能力
失業率早就在上升,而且破了百分之四,九月份比八月份高,這是非常不得了的事,因
為通常九月份大學畢業生已經陸續找到工作,但是我們的馬總統卻在上週說明年失業率
要百分之三,然後這週又出來說要擴大就業方案,後知後覺到這個地步。
要擴大公共建設、追求經濟成長,這表示要花大錢了,但是公共建設要政府去執行與監
督,不是錢花下去建設就出來,如果錢花得太多,超過政府監督的能力,那就會偷工減
料,如果超過民間執行的能力,那就會出現非常低劣的品質,但是馬政府完全不去管執
行能力,一上台就五百億方案,結果根本沒辦法辦到,於是買垃圾桶、蓋殯儀館的統統
出來,而且很多到現在根本沒有發包出去。
國發基金不該擴大,經建會編了二千億,到了總統府加到一兆,怎麼加上去的?要投資
什麼?都沒有講。國發基金過去每年投資不過一百億,工作人員已經非常辛苦,現在加
到一兆,沒有執行能力,甚至沒有執行對象,這是胡搞。他增加的八千億,如果買一半
上市公司,一家公司買百分之二十股權,他就變成最大股東,我們變共產國家,所有企
業都要來反共。
第三是誤解學理,方法就會錯。他要開放人民買更多中國股票,人民買外國股票中的中
國股票比例提高到百分之十,可以多買中國股票,當然就會減少購買台灣股票,他竟然
當成救股市的政策,政策發表當天,台灣股市未漲,七月三日中國股市為此大漲。
為救股市,他又說要開放台商與陸資企業來台上市,人家是拿股票來換鈔票,鈔票有限
,拿更多股票來,股票不是跌比較多,如果康師傅來台上市,想買的人就會把統一的股
票賣掉嘛!他又提出政府救銀行、銀行救企業、企業救勞工,銀行拿到錢幹嘛救企業?
企業拿到錢又幹嘛救勞工?你要救勞工就直接救勞工嘛!需要這樣迂迴周折,大家都會
聽你的話?過程中會有多少官商勾結?沒看過這麼笨的政策。
第四是追求統一,只要是有助於統一的,不管對錯,抓了就用,而且誇大其成效。馬總
統說人家說他賣台,他只賣台灣的水果,稱直航後,我們的農產品可以更方便賣去中國
,但他有沒有想過,台灣水果比較容易過去,中國農產品也比較容易過來,這是雙向的
,以去年的資料,我們賣去中國的農產品為四千多萬美金,中國賣來的是二億五千多萬
,將來更方便後,我們多賣百分之二十,約八百萬,他們多賣百分之二十是五千萬,請
問台灣農民是得到好處或損失?一個國家的政策不能只看有利的一面,不去看不利的一
面,他說三通後可以增加廠商在台灣投資,歷次調查都是要去中國投資的比在台灣投資的
多得多,他宣布三通後,南部有家液晶顯示器的工廠馬上裁員七百人,工廠要搬去中國
,這難道不用檢討?
第五是決策系統混亂,一個部長先講,另一個部長反對,最後又說要,消費券要不要限
制用途?限制什麼用途?莫衷一是。造成這種情況的關鍵是總統在幕後干涉行政部門,
這些部會首長不是在行政部會做決策,而是與總統府某個夾層、私下管道在做決策。做
了決策,總統府一句話可以翻掉,國發基金可以這樣膨脹、主權基金突然冒出來皆是。
第六是權力傲慢死不認錯,最典型的就是劉兆玄的那句話,忍耐兩天就過了!對於各種
抗議,謝謝指教,當做沒有看到,貓空纜車已經崩成這樣了,到現在還不願意認錯;又
如忠孝西路的公車專用道,大家就說不可以,馬市長堅持做了,到現在不敢啟用,也不
敢拆掉。
第七是慣性說謊,六月時我們高官出來說外資看好台灣,報紙早就報導外資開始在逃了
,被踢爆後,官員又出來講外資雖然賣但錢沒匯出去,又被踢爆已經匯出去了,又出來
再騙一次說,上半年外資是淨匯入。又說,保險業有八兆可以投入股市,結果根本沒這
個錢。如果朱成志只是用錯幾個數字就要一個月不准講話,以馬政府講的這些謊言,應
該要吊銷執照。
第八是目無法紀。颱風過後淹水,我們的政府講說可以先把其他預算撥來防洪治水,這
是不可以的,甚至連擴大公共建設的錢都要挪用。現在五千億要不受公債法限制,這還
規規矩矩要提出一個法案,但主權基金要撥外匯、國發基金要借款,都完全未根據預算
法、公債法的程序偷偷用錢。還說要設基金做十二項建設,這也不受公債法限制;現在
又撥了二十億要給大企業做保證,要保六千億,但依過去的經驗,起碼有一千多億會變
成呆帳。
問:你認為馬政府劍及履及可以怎麼做?
陳:這些問題,馬政府都必須先面對,知過必改,改求正確的目標,必須承認六三三是
錯的,是騙人的,接受民進黨建議照顧弱勢優於照顧股市,照顧就業要優先於照顧經濟
成長。第二要撤除錯誤的政策。第三,會造成這麼多問題,這些人員確實有問題,這些
不了解人民的、政策出差錯的、目無法紀的、沒有團隊精神的,都應該撤換。特別是做
為領導人的,最重要要考慮人民,那些態度傲慢,甚至打人的,更應該撤換,而不是升
官。最後,就是馬先生自己,王作榮教授說這是小霸王心態,他不是皇帝,是民選的,
必須拿掉霸王心態,虛心去看人民講的是什麼?溝通是雙向的,不是政令宣導。反對黨、
學者、輿論、人民罵的,他有搞清楚人家在罵什麼嗎?他應該閉門思過好好看這些東西
,不要有做霸王的心態。
第八是目無法紀。颱風過後淹水,我們的政府講說可以先把其他預算撥來防洪治水,這
是不可以的,甚至連擴大公共建設的錢都要挪用。現在五千億要不受公債法限制,這還
規規矩矩要提出一個法案,但主權基金要撥外匯、國發基金要借款,都完全未根據預算
法、公債法的程序偷偷用錢。還說要設基金做十二項建設,這也不受公債法限制;現在
又撥了二十億要給大企業做保證,要保六千億,但依過去的經驗,起碼有一千多億會變
成呆帳。
3.心得/評論:
撇開政治不談, 陳博志先生說的我還挺認同的,好後悔選出了他當總統....
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2.內容:
馬英九上台,台灣經濟跌到最谷底,台灣智庫董事長陳博志接受訪問,提出馬政府的八
項錯誤,他認為,馬團隊必須先承認錯誤,而後才可能改正錯誤,若繼續死不認錯,
會害死台灣經濟。
記者問:請你分析我們國家面臨的外部挑戰主要有哪些?
陳博志答:這次的金融風暴,造成全球股價下跌,美國金融機構出問題,次貸、二房、
雷曼破產,我們的金融機構受到連帶損失,但這些影響其實不是最嚴重的。嚴重的是因
為這些影響,使得美國與一些先進國家的經濟情況不好,造成二、三十年的金融體系操
作方式無法繼續下去,他們的進口減少,我們的出口當然減少,這是最大的打擊,馬政
府沒有了解到這點,一直在看股市,搞錯了方向。
人民各種抗議 一概當做沒看到
--------馬政府想依賴中國----------
有人說中國也許還有百分之七、八的成長率,於是馬政府又想去利用中國,但很不幸的
,中國對我們又是另一打擊,因為中國也是靠出口到美國在成長,現在沒辦法再這麼快
速出口到美國去,中國經濟成長因此下降。
首先,我們進口很多原料到中國,中國對美國出口減少,就不會再買我們的原料,這些
加工廠很多是台商,這些台商在那邊受到損失,有可能會發生債留台灣的問題,造成我
們經濟成長下降。
過去我們賣很多資本設備給中國,如果他的經濟成長由十二降到八,表面上看只降四個
百分點,但是所需要的資本設備會減少三分之一,這就會產生相當衝擊,因為過度
依賴中國。
有人說中國會擴大內需,這點有些台商會分到一點好處,但整體非常有限,國際上追求經
濟成長基本有三種方法,一個是擴大內需,這很困難,很少國家這樣做,偶爾做一些都
是很有限的;真正經濟成長的主力是另兩個,一個是出口擴張,中國在遭遇不景氣時也
要出口擴張,他們現在已經提高出口退稅率,人民幣不再升值甚至要貶值,這麼做會替
代台灣產品的國際市場;更常用的則是進口替代,貿易壁壘不讓他國產品進來,其他國
家受到WTO限制不太能這樣做,中國是獨裁國家,他會努力這麼做。在這種雙重情勢
下,馬政府還要一直開放對中國的投資,就會造成更大的衝擊。
-------------------
問:在這種大情勢下,馬政府上台後的一系列政策似乎都有所牴觸,能否提出具體實例
加以剖析?
-----------失業率早上升 才想到增加就業-------------
陳:他犯的錯實在太多了!基本上可以分八項來講。第一是輕忽民意,馬政府比較不重
視人民,較重視資本家或經濟成長數字。剛上任時,油價在漲,人民關切物價問題,馬
政府卻關心市場經濟,急得把油價反映成本,並且不顧人民感受,在下班前宣布,突襲
人民。
現在不景氣,人民最重視就業,因為失業的傷害很大,但馬政府卻只在意經濟成長,五
個月前在野黨建議退稅濟貧,他不同意,還把全部力量放在擴大內需、刺激股市,差別
很大,我做為一個小老百姓,我管它經濟成長多少?我有沒有工作才是最重要的。到目
前為止,馬政府花在救股市與救企業家的錢,遠大於人民,特別是弱勢的人民。對於任
何政策他都說要多和人民溝通,意思是我沒有錯,是你們人民不了解。
第二是違背事實,不只方向錯,目標也訂錯。競選時說六三三,就我們這個高所得國家
,即使四年平均經濟成長百分之六,也是辦不到的,失業率百分之三亦同,這兩個數字
只有新加坡達到,但新加坡是一直引進外籍勞工,人數一直在增加,但平均所得增加並
沒有比我們快,就業率相同,這是分母分子個別加了外勞造成,馬總統不了解,因此在
追求一個錯誤達不到的目標。
景氣變不好,現在看更清楚,第三季已經負成長,七月已經哀鴻遍野了,可是馬政府還
說要追求百分之六成長率,預算還編百分之五點○八,一直等到上個星期主計處把數字
攤出來,他才要相信。預算編得差這麼多,明年如果經濟成長是零或負成長,則高估超
過一千億以上,這個預算若不退回,到了明年底會周轉不過去,到時候說政府不能破產
,只好擴大借錢,不論是不了解事實或故意不了解事實,都很糟糕。
公共建設砸錢 卻不管執行能力
失業率早就在上升,而且破了百分之四,九月份比八月份高,這是非常不得了的事,因
為通常九月份大學畢業生已經陸續找到工作,但是我們的馬總統卻在上週說明年失業率
要百分之三,然後這週又出來說要擴大就業方案,後知後覺到這個地步。
要擴大公共建設、追求經濟成長,這表示要花大錢了,但是公共建設要政府去執行與監
督,不是錢花下去建設就出來,如果錢花得太多,超過政府監督的能力,那就會偷工減
料,如果超過民間執行的能力,那就會出現非常低劣的品質,但是馬政府完全不去管執
行能力,一上台就五百億方案,結果根本沒辦法辦到,於是買垃圾桶、蓋殯儀館的統統
出來,而且很多到現在根本沒有發包出去。
國發基金不該擴大,經建會編了二千億,到了總統府加到一兆,怎麼加上去的?要投資
什麼?都沒有講。國發基金過去每年投資不過一百億,工作人員已經非常辛苦,現在加
到一兆,沒有執行能力,甚至沒有執行對象,這是胡搞。他增加的八千億,如果買一半
上市公司,一家公司買百分之二十股權,他就變成最大股東,我們變共產國家,所有企
業都要來反共。
第三是誤解學理,方法就會錯。他要開放人民買更多中國股票,人民買外國股票中的中
國股票比例提高到百分之十,可以多買中國股票,當然就會減少購買台灣股票,他竟然
當成救股市的政策,政策發表當天,台灣股市未漲,七月三日中國股市為此大漲。
為救股市,他又說要開放台商與陸資企業來台上市,人家是拿股票來換鈔票,鈔票有限
,拿更多股票來,股票不是跌比較多,如果康師傅來台上市,想買的人就會把統一的股
票賣掉嘛!他又提出政府救銀行、銀行救企業、企業救勞工,銀行拿到錢幹嘛救企業?
企業拿到錢又幹嘛救勞工?你要救勞工就直接救勞工嘛!需要這樣迂迴周折,大家都會
聽你的話?過程中會有多少官商勾結?沒看過這麼笨的政策。
第四是追求統一,只要是有助於統一的,不管對錯,抓了就用,而且誇大其成效。馬總
統說人家說他賣台,他只賣台灣的水果,稱直航後,我們的農產品可以更方便賣去中國
,但他有沒有想過,台灣水果比較容易過去,中國農產品也比較容易過來,這是雙向的
,以去年的資料,我們賣去中國的農產品為四千多萬美金,中國賣來的是二億五千多萬
,將來更方便後,我們多賣百分之二十,約八百萬,他們多賣百分之二十是五千萬,請
問台灣農民是得到好處或損失?一個國家的政策不能只看有利的一面,不去看不利的一
面,他說三通後可以增加廠商在台灣投資,歷次調查都是要去中國投資的比在台灣投資的
多得多,他宣布三通後,南部有家液晶顯示器的工廠馬上裁員七百人,工廠要搬去中國
,這難道不用檢討?
第五是決策系統混亂,一個部長先講,另一個部長反對,最後又說要,消費券要不要限
制用途?限制什麼用途?莫衷一是。造成這種情況的關鍵是總統在幕後干涉行政部門,
這些部會首長不是在行政部會做決策,而是與總統府某個夾層、私下管道在做決策。做
了決策,總統府一句話可以翻掉,國發基金可以這樣膨脹、主權基金突然冒出來皆是。
第六是權力傲慢死不認錯,最典型的就是劉兆玄的那句話,忍耐兩天就過了!對於各種
抗議,謝謝指教,當做沒有看到,貓空纜車已經崩成這樣了,到現在還不願意認錯;又
如忠孝西路的公車專用道,大家就說不可以,馬市長堅持做了,到現在不敢啟用,也不
敢拆掉。
第七是慣性說謊,六月時我們高官出來說外資看好台灣,報紙早就報導外資開始在逃了
,被踢爆後,官員又出來講外資雖然賣但錢沒匯出去,又被踢爆已經匯出去了,又出來
再騙一次說,上半年外資是淨匯入。又說,保險業有八兆可以投入股市,結果根本沒這
個錢。如果朱成志只是用錯幾個數字就要一個月不准講話,以馬政府講的這些謊言,應
該要吊銷執照。
第八是目無法紀。颱風過後淹水,我們的政府講說可以先把其他預算撥來防洪治水,這
是不可以的,甚至連擴大公共建設的錢都要挪用。現在五千億要不受公債法限制,這還
規規矩矩要提出一個法案,但主權基金要撥外匯、國發基金要借款,都完全未根據預算
法、公債法的程序偷偷用錢。還說要設基金做十二項建設,這也不受公債法限制;現在
又撥了二十億要給大企業做保證,要保六千億,但依過去的經驗,起碼有一千多億會變
成呆帳。
問:你認為馬政府劍及履及可以怎麼做?
陳:這些問題,馬政府都必須先面對,知過必改,改求正確的目標,必須承認六三三是
錯的,是騙人的,接受民進黨建議照顧弱勢優於照顧股市,照顧就業要優先於照顧經濟
成長。第二要撤除錯誤的政策。第三,會造成這麼多問題,這些人員確實有問題,這些
不了解人民的、政策出差錯的、目無法紀的、沒有團隊精神的,都應該撤換。特別是做
為領導人的,最重要要考慮人民,那些態度傲慢,甚至打人的,更應該撤換,而不是升
官。最後,就是馬先生自己,王作榮教授說這是小霸王心態,他不是皇帝,是民選的,
必須拿掉霸王心態,虛心去看人民講的是什麼?溝通是雙向的,不是政令宣導。反對黨、
學者、輿論、人民罵的,他有搞清楚人家在罵什麼嗎?他應該閉門思過好好看這些東西
,不要有做霸王的心態。
第八是目無法紀。颱風過後淹水,我們的政府講說可以先把其他預算撥來防洪治水,這
是不可以的,甚至連擴大公共建設的錢都要挪用。現在五千億要不受公債法限制,這還
規規矩矩要提出一個法案,但主權基金要撥外匯、國發基金要借款,都完全未根據預算
法、公債法的程序偷偷用錢。還說要設基金做十二項建設,這也不受公債法限制;現在
又撥了二十億要給大企業做保證,要保六千億,但依過去的經驗,起碼有一千多億會變
成呆帳。
3.心得/評論:
撇開政治不談, 陳博志先生說的我還挺認同的,好後悔選出了他當總統....
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