為啥不推存股? - 理財

By Lily
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※ 引述《LongTim (Everyne is NO.1)》之銘言:
: 哇,忙完回來發現這麼多人關注我的話,觀念錯誤,我是不知道什麼樣叫錯啦,我就是學
: 習華倫老師價值投資學派,長期投資民生必需不受景氣影響的好公司,公司每年越賺越多
: ,股利越配越多,然後複利滾雪球。
: 同時利用自身優勢借貸便宜的錢幾年前先買入優質好股,時間也是成本,好的負債也是富
: 人的武器,期望在投資的10年內達到財富自由,年領股利150萬,到時就準時上下班不求
: 升官,去做自己喜歡的事囉:)
: 看回文把我罵得這麼不堪,乍看還以為我殺了你全家,想說是不是有什麼誤會,我有沒有
: 超過大盤我是真的沒算,至於這幾年理財書看了上百本,我就喜歡自己研究然後選股,這
: 樣我才覺得踏實,你要不費力氣那是你的選擇,沒有要逼你聽我的啊:)
: 5年多來要自律的堅持實在不容易,身邊的人早就放棄去玩短線了,結果我在這版搞得好
: 像通緝犯或過街老鼠,哈,沒關係,我懂der ,小弟批踢踢也上20年了,什麼酸民沒見過
: ,那些出書的達人遇到的更多,我終於能體會ㄧ點點了,祝福各位囉,希望現實生活中的
: 你,也跟在批踢踢ㄧ樣威風:)
我個人就是從存股 (2018股市八千多點開始到2020年底) 轉到指數投資的案例
一開始買一些大家熟知的定存股,股息在5%以上就買入
每年發股息時,的確感到開心與安心,而且隨著本金投入整體股息一直成長
但是遇到一些問題:
1. 心臟不夠大無法大量押注個股,以至於錯過了某些的確表現很好的個股
2. 定期定額策略,錯過了幾次重大的回檔(疫情事件),以致於手邊還有相當多的現金
3. 所得稅上升
在2020年底結算報酬率時(未納入現金部分),發現這三年存股根本還低於大盤年化報酬率
直接放棄了,果斷轉向指數投資+股債配置
雖然存股中某些個股有優於大盤報酬率,但整體持股組合是落後的
在這個轉向指數投資的決定之前,其實一直都有看綠角文章,也上過他的課
但就跟原po心態一樣,會認為達到某個“被動現金流”水準就好,不用管什麼大盤
後來又看了一些foreign_investment版的文章,才終於說服自己,報酬比大盤低是白工
非最佳解! 而且個股承擔了更多的風險
轉向指數投資(0050+vwra+aggg)也還是有一堆心態問題或說知識問題待克服
指數投資解決了我剛說的幾個問題
1. 由於風險低得多,有信心可以大筆投資,按照資產配置比例
2. 採取lump sum方式,放棄定期定額投入 (但也花了一個月才買完,一開始還是怕怕)
3. 0050 + vwra + aggg 配息很低,而且是海外投資所得,無所得稅上升問題
現在面臨問題是,到底一次性配置債券etf有無必要?
我對這個配債目的還是處於一知半解狀態,說降低波動,
但隨著價格持續破底,反而讓我感到疑惑,常常vwra+aggg兩者是齊升齊跌
這個疑惑肇因於我還沒理解清楚aggg這類商品的特性就買入
再來就是退休提領問題
退休提領持股會減少,但理論上未來每股市價成長會cover持股減少部分
也就是整體資產的市值是保持成長的
這一點雖然是簡單數學,但心態上會有恐懼感,怕萬一遇到長期熊市?
當然這也有一些應對方法,存更多現金資產,或是動態提領2%~4%
最後給原PO建議:
我反而轉向指數投資心態更安定,敢單筆大筆投入,報酬長期來看會比存個股好
也開始人生第一次借信貸(1.8%)投資,體驗一下lifecycle investment
這邊推文重點不是否定你賺錢能力,而是此非最佳解
就看你自己選擇了
--
: 哇,忙完回來發現這麼多人關注我的話,觀念錯誤,我是不知道什麼樣叫錯啦,我就是學
: 習華倫老師價值投資學派,長期投資民生必需不受景氣影響的好公司,公司每年越賺越多
: ,股利越配越多,然後複利滾雪球。
: 同時利用自身優勢借貸便宜的錢幾年前先買入優質好股,時間也是成本,好的負債也是富
: 人的武器,期望在投資的10年內達到財富自由,年領股利150萬,到時就準時上下班不求
: 升官,去做自己喜歡的事囉:)
: 看回文把我罵得這麼不堪,乍看還以為我殺了你全家,想說是不是有什麼誤會,我有沒有
: 超過大盤我是真的沒算,至於這幾年理財書看了上百本,我就喜歡自己研究然後選股,這
: 樣我才覺得踏實,你要不費力氣那是你的選擇,沒有要逼你聽我的啊:)
: 5年多來要自律的堅持實在不容易,身邊的人早就放棄去玩短線了,結果我在這版搞得好
: 像通緝犯或過街老鼠,哈,沒關係,我懂der ,小弟批踢踢也上20年了,什麼酸民沒見過
: ,那些出書的達人遇到的更多,我終於能體會ㄧ點點了,祝福各位囉,希望現實生活中的
: 你,也跟在批踢踢ㄧ樣威風:)
我個人就是從存股 (2018股市八千多點開始到2020年底) 轉到指數投資的案例
一開始買一些大家熟知的定存股,股息在5%以上就買入
每年發股息時,的確感到開心與安心,而且隨著本金投入整體股息一直成長
但是遇到一些問題:
1. 心臟不夠大無法大量押注個股,以至於錯過了某些的確表現很好的個股
2. 定期定額策略,錯過了幾次重大的回檔(疫情事件),以致於手邊還有相當多的現金
3. 所得稅上升
在2020年底結算報酬率時(未納入現金部分),發現這三年存股根本還低於大盤年化報酬率
直接放棄了,果斷轉向指數投資+股債配置
雖然存股中某些個股有優於大盤報酬率,但整體持股組合是落後的
在這個轉向指數投資的決定之前,其實一直都有看綠角文章,也上過他的課
但就跟原po心態一樣,會認為達到某個“被動現金流”水準就好,不用管什麼大盤
後來又看了一些foreign_investment版的文章,才終於說服自己,報酬比大盤低是白工
非最佳解! 而且個股承擔了更多的風險
轉向指數投資(0050+vwra+aggg)也還是有一堆心態問題或說知識問題待克服
指數投資解決了我剛說的幾個問題
1. 由於風險低得多,有信心可以大筆投資,按照資產配置比例
2. 採取lump sum方式,放棄定期定額投入 (但也花了一個月才買完,一開始還是怕怕)
3. 0050 + vwra + aggg 配息很低,而且是海外投資所得,無所得稅上升問題
現在面臨問題是,到底一次性配置債券etf有無必要?
我對這個配債目的還是處於一知半解狀態,說降低波動,
但隨著價格持續破底,反而讓我感到疑惑,常常vwra+aggg兩者是齊升齊跌
這個疑惑肇因於我還沒理解清楚aggg這類商品的特性就買入
再來就是退休提領問題
退休提領持股會減少,但理論上未來每股市價成長會cover持股減少部分
也就是整體資產的市值是保持成長的
這一點雖然是簡單數學,但心態上會有恐懼感,怕萬一遇到長期熊市?
當然這也有一些應對方法,存更多現金資產,或是動態提領2%~4%
最後給原PO建議:
我反而轉向指數投資心態更安定,敢單筆大筆投入,報酬長期來看會比存個股好
也開始人生第一次借信貸(1.8%)投資,體驗一下lifecycle investment
這邊推文重點不是否定你賺錢能力,而是此非最佳解
就看你自己選擇了
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