TRF像惡夢 貴婦投資淪為跪婦 - 股票

By Edward Lewis
at 2016-01-15T00:00
at 2016-01-15T00:00
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※ 引述《schooldance (D.A.K.)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結(必須檢附):
: http://tinyurl.com/h9plkds
: 2.原文內容:
: 旺報【記者葉文義╱台北報導】
: 去年來人民幣加速貶值,TRF(目標可贖回遠期契約)成為超級重災區。這項衍生性金融
: 商品在2014年初熱賣,參與者多為中小企業財務部門,而許多公司老闆娘都擔任公司財務
: 主管,因此TRF也被看成是「貴婦們」的理財工具。而2014年初簽的2年期契約剛好在今年
: 初人民幣匯率創5年新低時陸續到期,有人慘賠收場,也有繳不出保證金遭強制平倉者,
: 損失慘重外可能還要吃上官司,一些「貴婦」淪為「跪婦」,下場悽慘。
看推文好像很多版友不知道這東西多恐怖
簡單的拿我朋友的例子跟各位解釋一下,這東西多扯 然後理專怎麼處理的
TRF這商品基本上國內銀行都只是中介商 專賺傭金 讓客人去市場對賭他本身不會虧
他的本質就是很簡單的當單邊(有的是雙邊)的賣方 沒有買保險的裸露部位
基本起跳單位就是一支 50萬美金X2 也就是3000萬台幣
理專就拿歷史線圖給你看 說人民幣一路漲 不會貶值的 好強喔
然後會說這商品就是先收錢 合約時間到了的話 只要人民幣沒貶值就什麼事情也沒有
也不用保證金 只要你夠資格 直接簽合約就可以領錢了
什麼? 怕賠錢嗎? 人民幣這麼強不會啦~ 簽了就有錢入帳囉
----------------------------理專銷售結束---------------------------------
然後TRF這商品會跟客戶講兩個數字
一個是合約利率 例如是 6.15 一個是保護利率 例如 6.25
合約利率是計算用 保護利率是指在這利率價格之前 客戶不需負擔損失
2013年底2014年初 美元對人民幣大約是 6.1~6.05
好的 就在這商品大賣之後 人民幣貶值了
TRF是每個月結算 也就是這商品簽兩年的就是 直接幫你賣連續24個月的選擇權
現在損失怎麼算呢?
((結算利率-合約利率)/合約利率)*合約契約
如果用今天的最後成交價6.5897來算 ((6.5897-6.15)/6.15)*3000萬=214.48 萬
也就是這個月銀行會跟你要214.48萬元的損失
當然這是現在貶比較深的情形 但是8月大貶之後每個月都是百萬的賠款
那這商品客戶可以拿到的利潤多少呢? 30萬<X<100萬
這微薄的利潤只要賠一次基本上就沒賺 例如 結算剛好6.26
((6.26-6.15)/6.15)*3000=53.65萬
那我賠錢想要解約怎麼算呢?
拿上面例子來講 這個月人民幣貶到6.26賠錢了 我不想玩了 解約
銀行會說要解約可以 後面的月份就會敲個利率給你 例如 6.3 就用這個算
所以一個月就是要給銀行 ((6.3-6.15)/6.15)*3000=73.17萬 剩幾期就是乘幾個月
因此我還三個月到期要解約的話就是要給銀行 73.17*3=219.5 萬才能脫身
所以幾乎不會有人要解約 每個人想的都是跟他拼拼看看會不會升值回來
----------------------賠死人不償命----------------------------------
當然有人會去吵阿 銀行理專不是不理會 就是拿別的商品要你做 說把虧損賺回來
或是延期 最近有看到新聞說延期兩年把合約利率改到6.8~7 之類的
就準備看人民幣貶到那邊去再殺一個血流成河......
我朋友做這商品 賠超過500萬 曾經還想告銀行
當然從此不再跟這銀行往來
感想: 一句老話 你想要他的利 他要的是你的本
不懂的商品還是小心小心再小心
--
: 1.原文連結(必須檢附):
: http://tinyurl.com/h9plkds
: 2.原文內容:
: 旺報【記者葉文義╱台北報導】
: 去年來人民幣加速貶值,TRF(目標可贖回遠期契約)成為超級重災區。這項衍生性金融
: 商品在2014年初熱賣,參與者多為中小企業財務部門,而許多公司老闆娘都擔任公司財務
: 主管,因此TRF也被看成是「貴婦們」的理財工具。而2014年初簽的2年期契約剛好在今年
: 初人民幣匯率創5年新低時陸續到期,有人慘賠收場,也有繳不出保證金遭強制平倉者,
: 損失慘重外可能還要吃上官司,一些「貴婦」淪為「跪婦」,下場悽慘。
看推文好像很多版友不知道這東西多恐怖
簡單的拿我朋友的例子跟各位解釋一下,這東西多扯 然後理專怎麼處理的
TRF這商品基本上國內銀行都只是中介商 專賺傭金 讓客人去市場對賭他本身不會虧
他的本質就是很簡單的當單邊(有的是雙邊)的賣方 沒有買保險的裸露部位
基本起跳單位就是一支 50萬美金X2 也就是3000萬台幣
理專就拿歷史線圖給你看 說人民幣一路漲 不會貶值的 好強喔
然後會說這商品就是先收錢 合約時間到了的話 只要人民幣沒貶值就什麼事情也沒有
也不用保證金 只要你夠資格 直接簽合約就可以領錢了
什麼? 怕賠錢嗎? 人民幣這麼強不會啦~ 簽了就有錢入帳囉
----------------------------理專銷售結束---------------------------------
然後TRF這商品會跟客戶講兩個數字
一個是合約利率 例如是 6.15 一個是保護利率 例如 6.25
合約利率是計算用 保護利率是指在這利率價格之前 客戶不需負擔損失
2013年底2014年初 美元對人民幣大約是 6.1~6.05
好的 就在這商品大賣之後 人民幣貶值了
TRF是每個月結算 也就是這商品簽兩年的就是 直接幫你賣連續24個月的選擇權
現在損失怎麼算呢?
((結算利率-合約利率)/合約利率)*合約契約
如果用今天的最後成交價6.5897來算 ((6.5897-6.15)/6.15)*3000萬=214.48 萬
也就是這個月銀行會跟你要214.48萬元的損失
當然這是現在貶比較深的情形 但是8月大貶之後每個月都是百萬的賠款
那這商品客戶可以拿到的利潤多少呢? 30萬<X<100萬
這微薄的利潤只要賠一次基本上就沒賺 例如 結算剛好6.26
((6.26-6.15)/6.15)*3000=53.65萬
那我賠錢想要解約怎麼算呢?
拿上面例子來講 這個月人民幣貶到6.26賠錢了 我不想玩了 解約
銀行會說要解約可以 後面的月份就會敲個利率給你 例如 6.3 就用這個算
所以一個月就是要給銀行 ((6.3-6.15)/6.15)*3000=73.17萬 剩幾期就是乘幾個月
因此我還三個月到期要解約的話就是要給銀行 73.17*3=219.5 萬才能脫身
所以幾乎不會有人要解約 每個人想的都是跟他拼拼看看會不會升值回來
----------------------賠死人不償命----------------------------------
當然有人會去吵阿 銀行理專不是不理會 就是拿別的商品要你做 說把虧損賺回來
或是延期 最近有看到新聞說延期兩年把合約利率改到6.8~7 之類的
就準備看人民幣貶到那邊去再殺一個血流成河......
我朋友做這商品 賠超過500萬 曾經還想告銀行
當然從此不再跟這銀行往來
感想: 一句老話 你想要他的利 他要的是你的本
不懂的商品還是小心小心再小心
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