Re: 壽險保單貼現基金的風險 - 投資

By Jack
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我今天和日本匯豐的客戶經理連絡 想了解一下這個產品
他說用mail講不清楚 約好明天電話聯絡談細節
目前看起來
1.此產品有在日本匯豐作銷售
2.可以賣給散戶(所以客戶經理才會想跟我聯絡 XD)
既然匯豐公然拿出來賣 此產品大概不是騙人的 是可運作的產品
但是他的運作模式 獲利來源和風險 我不知道 看明天能不能弄清楚
雖然板上大大有寄資料給我看 但是是日文的 我看不懂 XD
明天我會問此產品的
1.運作模式 2.最低投資額 3.稅負 4.英文proposal 5.風險 6.我的錢最終交到誰手上
當作了解新金融產品
如果有要到英文Proposal 那就簡單了 大家可以一起研究一下
※ 引述《Leepofeng (螢火蟲)》之銘言:
: 1. 壽險保單貼現之法制化研究-以美國法為中心
: http://nccur.lib.nccu.edu.tw/handle/140.119/34155
: 尤其推薦第三章「保單貼現交易的風險分析」(檔案:58011106.pdf)
: 2. 人壽保險保單貼現各類風險研究
: http://ppt.cc/qhd4(PDF file)
: 這一篇論文我認為有把保單貼現商品的風險都點出來,投資前真的建議好好閱讀
: 而我引用一下第二篇論文的內容(論文Page. 48,不是PDF的48頁)
: 美國保險監里官協會印發小冊提醒投資人,投資保單貼現可能的風險:
: 1. 不確定的報酬
: 2. 缺乏流動性
: 3. 保費增加
: 4. 可抗辯條款
: 5. 餘命預估不公開,方法亦不透明
: 6. 餘命預估準確性
: 7. 後續保費繳納不確定性
: 8. 可能需要支付信託費用和佣金
: 9. 無法確定由誰追蹤保單與被保險人健康狀況
: Anyway, 上述這些風險大概有一部分可以藉由再保險而轉嫁(所以要買基金前先確定再保)
: 還有一部分可以藉由證券化商品的發行而減低風險,但是還有大約一半的風險是仍然存在的
: 而最大的風險是,美國有可能立法管制這種基金的發行,因為有幾個大問題:
: 1. 目前高盛等銀行看到這種商品就跟之前的大賣衍生金融商品一樣,只想賺錢不管後果
: 而如果根據目前的商品設計,泡沫是一定會產生的
: 2. 道德問題:被保險人、仲介、保險公司、投資人各有不同的盤算
: 所以會衍生出假造病例、調整保費結構、錯誤估算餘命、謀殺被保險人等事情
: (這部份上面第二篇論文寫得比較詳細,可以慢慢閱讀)
: 主要討論是去年紐約時報的一則報導,當時也有中文翻譯,這是原文:
: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/business/06insurance.html
: 所以目前SEC正密切觀察Life settlement investment funds
: 已經開過hearing,並可能先用regulation管制,也不排除立法甚至禁止相關商品
: 畢竟金融危機還不算已經完全過去,市場是經不起另一個泡沫
: 所以投資人要確定自己能承受這些風險:
: 1. 如果禁賣這種基金,而清算基金當時許多保單未到期,損失很大
: 2. 即使未禁止,形成泡沫又破掉之後,可能根本索償無門
: 3. SEC其實並未真的審核這類基金,因為之前有質疑過SEC未必是這類基金主管機關
: 所以對基金結構與財務狀況投資人要自行詳查,尤其是早期發行的基金
: 而這種基金的幾個討論的要點:
: 1. 會不會泡沫化:如果SEC都擔心,我想不需要我證明會不會了
: 2. 有沒有道德風險:看看媒體怎麼形容的「華爾街擬收購保單證券化藉發死人財坑殺活人」
: 3. 大銀行就沒問題?保單貼現基金被電最慘的就是高盛銀行
: 至於泡沫怎麼爆?舉例說明其中一種可能:
: 保費精算時,有很多考量,包括生命表、利率、保單持續率.....
: 而在這種保單可以貼現的情況下,保單持續率就會非常高
: 而保單如果半途解約,保險公司已收保費算是重要收入(因為收了保費卻不必理賠)
: 但是如果保單持續率比精算保費的時候高很多,那麼可能到最後跟本賠不出來
: 結果保險公司掛,基金掛,而基金或發行銀行本身可能連結一些CDS也掛
: 結果再一次的金融海嘯,現在這類商品市值200億美元,其實不小
: 所以如果投資這種商品,將來造成金融海嘯,回過頭又害到自己,就不要怪別人了
--
他說用mail講不清楚 約好明天電話聯絡談細節
目前看起來
1.此產品有在日本匯豐作銷售
2.可以賣給散戶(所以客戶經理才會想跟我聯絡 XD)
既然匯豐公然拿出來賣 此產品大概不是騙人的 是可運作的產品
但是他的運作模式 獲利來源和風險 我不知道 看明天能不能弄清楚
雖然板上大大有寄資料給我看 但是是日文的 我看不懂 XD
明天我會問此產品的
1.運作模式 2.最低投資額 3.稅負 4.英文proposal 5.風險 6.我的錢最終交到誰手上
當作了解新金融產品
如果有要到英文Proposal 那就簡單了 大家可以一起研究一下
※ 引述《Leepofeng (螢火蟲)》之銘言:
: 1. 壽險保單貼現之法制化研究-以美國法為中心
: http://nccur.lib.nccu.edu.tw/handle/140.119/34155
: 尤其推薦第三章「保單貼現交易的風險分析」(檔案:58011106.pdf)
: 2. 人壽保險保單貼現各類風險研究
: http://ppt.cc/qhd4(PDF file)
: 這一篇論文我認為有把保單貼現商品的風險都點出來,投資前真的建議好好閱讀
: 而我引用一下第二篇論文的內容(論文Page. 48,不是PDF的48頁)
: 美國保險監里官協會印發小冊提醒投資人,投資保單貼現可能的風險:
: 1. 不確定的報酬
: 2. 缺乏流動性
: 3. 保費增加
: 4. 可抗辯條款
: 5. 餘命預估不公開,方法亦不透明
: 6. 餘命預估準確性
: 7. 後續保費繳納不確定性
: 8. 可能需要支付信託費用和佣金
: 9. 無法確定由誰追蹤保單與被保險人健康狀況
: Anyway, 上述這些風險大概有一部分可以藉由再保險而轉嫁(所以要買基金前先確定再保)
: 還有一部分可以藉由證券化商品的發行而減低風險,但是還有大約一半的風險是仍然存在的
: 而最大的風險是,美國有可能立法管制這種基金的發行,因為有幾個大問題:
: 1. 目前高盛等銀行看到這種商品就跟之前的大賣衍生金融商品一樣,只想賺錢不管後果
: 而如果根據目前的商品設計,泡沫是一定會產生的
: 2. 道德問題:被保險人、仲介、保險公司、投資人各有不同的盤算
: 所以會衍生出假造病例、調整保費結構、錯誤估算餘命、謀殺被保險人等事情
: (這部份上面第二篇論文寫得比較詳細,可以慢慢閱讀)
: 主要討論是去年紐約時報的一則報導,當時也有中文翻譯,這是原文:
: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/business/06insurance.html
: 所以目前SEC正密切觀察Life settlement investment funds
: 已經開過hearing,並可能先用regulation管制,也不排除立法甚至禁止相關商品
: 畢竟金融危機還不算已經完全過去,市場是經不起另一個泡沫
: 所以投資人要確定自己能承受這些風險:
: 1. 如果禁賣這種基金,而清算基金當時許多保單未到期,損失很大
: 2. 即使未禁止,形成泡沫又破掉之後,可能根本索償無門
: 3. SEC其實並未真的審核這類基金,因為之前有質疑過SEC未必是這類基金主管機關
: 所以對基金結構與財務狀況投資人要自行詳查,尤其是早期發行的基金
: 而這種基金的幾個討論的要點:
: 1. 會不會泡沫化:如果SEC都擔心,我想不需要我證明會不會了
: 2. 有沒有道德風險:看看媒體怎麼形容的「華爾街擬收購保單證券化藉發死人財坑殺活人」
: 3. 大銀行就沒問題?保單貼現基金被電最慘的就是高盛銀行
: 至於泡沫怎麼爆?舉例說明其中一種可能:
: 保費精算時,有很多考量,包括生命表、利率、保單持續率.....
: 而在這種保單可以貼現的情況下,保單持續率就會非常高
: 而保單如果半途解約,保險公司已收保費算是重要收入(因為收了保費卻不必理賠)
: 但是如果保單持續率比精算保費的時候高很多,那麼可能到最後跟本賠不出來
: 結果保險公司掛,基金掛,而基金或發行銀行本身可能連結一些CDS也掛
: 結果再一次的金融海嘯,現在這類商品市值200億美元,其實不小
: 所以如果投資這種商品,將來造成金融海嘯,回過頭又害到自己,就不要怪別人了
--
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