Google進軍醫療AI 出師不利狠摔一跤 - 股票

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1.原文連結:
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https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20200509000012-260410?chdtv
2.原文內容:
Google進軍醫療AI 出師不利狠摔一跤
17:302020/05/09 中時電子報 趙永紝
擁有打敗人類圍棋王的AlphaGo的Google,在醫療領域的初次實踐反倒給護士和患者們幫
了倒忙。醫療者與病患的口碑極差,讓當初在醫療人工智慧(AI)領域雄心勃勃的Google,
出師不利。
2018年年底,Google在泰國啟動的AI篩查糖尿病視網膜病變(以下簡稱糖網)臨床項目終
於在最近發佈了研究結果。Google自曝的研究數據顯示,這套AI系統實際「看病」的結果
在臨床應用的11家泰國診所間存在高度差異。這也讓參與其中的醫護和患者們備受煎熬。
在篩檢中,21%的圖像因為清晰度問題被系統拒絕識別。隨後,護士不得不浪費時間重新
拍攝患者眼底照片,即便這些模糊或者過暗的圖片用肉眼就可以辨別發病跡象。
而想即時拿到診斷的患者也因為等待時間過長抱怨不止。由於網路問題,一家診所的篩檢
甚至中斷了兩個小時。一位護士的敘述:「他們從早上6點開始一直等在這兒。而最初的
兩個小時中,我們只篩檢了10個患者。」
臨床應用的效果狠狠打了Google的臉。早在2016年,Google就公佈過利用AI篩查糖網的研
究成果。經過幾年研究,這套系統已經可以在10分鐘內識別糖網,且準確率超過90%。這
套AI糖網篩查系統,是Google Health團隊研究的核心項目之一。
不過由於尚未通過美國FDA批准,這套系統在美國的研究進展仍停留在實驗室階段。直到
與泰國衛生部合作,手握CE認證的Google才有了下場實踐的機會。泰國衛生部希望年度內
完成對60%的糖尿病人進行糖網篩查。
Google為泰國的11家診所安裝了數據表現傲人的AI系統。按照理想狀態,這無疑將大幅提
升糖網篩查的效率,沒成想,這套系統令泰國的護士們叫苦不迭。在泰國11家診所的實際
應用中,超過五分之一的圖像被拒絕識別。也就是說,每個護士在診所資源限制下每小時
拍攝幾十名患者的眼底,但這些照片往往還要複核。而就算複核,也不一定能成,時間就
這麼白白浪費了。
實際上,醫療業內人士對Google醫療AI翻車並不意外。因為在特定的場景下(比如要求嚴
苛的實驗室),AI完成得再準確,也無法改變臨床時水土不服的窘境。
醫療從業人員表示「從技術來講,我認為Google這套系統的算法還是處於初級的階段,存
在很大的問題」,「科研和臨床畢竟是兩回事。而且所有拋開驗證過程談準確率的說法,
都是在說大話。」
看樣子,但若要真正打通技術、需求、場景的連接,從而獲得成效,醫療AI仍然任重道遠
。
3.心得/評論:
※必需填寫滿20字
口碑極差 Errrr
看來AI這領域還有很多進步空間,
難怪最近AlphaGo的新聞好像很久沒聽到了?
畢竟當出新聞報的很大好像是台師大弄得?
難得的台灣之光,希望可以繼續下去...
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※過長無法點擊者必須縮網址
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2.原文內容:
Google進軍醫療AI 出師不利狠摔一跤
17:302020/05/09 中時電子報 趙永紝
擁有打敗人類圍棋王的AlphaGo的Google,在醫療領域的初次實踐反倒給護士和患者們幫
了倒忙。醫療者與病患的口碑極差,讓當初在醫療人工智慧(AI)領域雄心勃勃的Google,
出師不利。
2018年年底,Google在泰國啟動的AI篩查糖尿病視網膜病變(以下簡稱糖網)臨床項目終
於在最近發佈了研究結果。Google自曝的研究數據顯示,這套AI系統實際「看病」的結果
在臨床應用的11家泰國診所間存在高度差異。這也讓參與其中的醫護和患者們備受煎熬。
在篩檢中,21%的圖像因為清晰度問題被系統拒絕識別。隨後,護士不得不浪費時間重新
拍攝患者眼底照片,即便這些模糊或者過暗的圖片用肉眼就可以辨別發病跡象。
而想即時拿到診斷的患者也因為等待時間過長抱怨不止。由於網路問題,一家診所的篩檢
甚至中斷了兩個小時。一位護士的敘述:「他們從早上6點開始一直等在這兒。而最初的
兩個小時中,我們只篩檢了10個患者。」
臨床應用的效果狠狠打了Google的臉。早在2016年,Google就公佈過利用AI篩查糖網的研
究成果。經過幾年研究,這套系統已經可以在10分鐘內識別糖網,且準確率超過90%。這
套AI糖網篩查系統,是Google Health團隊研究的核心項目之一。
不過由於尚未通過美國FDA批准,這套系統在美國的研究進展仍停留在實驗室階段。直到
與泰國衛生部合作,手握CE認證的Google才有了下場實踐的機會。泰國衛生部希望年度內
完成對60%的糖尿病人進行糖網篩查。
Google為泰國的11家診所安裝了數據表現傲人的AI系統。按照理想狀態,這無疑將大幅提
升糖網篩查的效率,沒成想,這套系統令泰國的護士們叫苦不迭。在泰國11家診所的實際
應用中,超過五分之一的圖像被拒絕識別。也就是說,每個護士在診所資源限制下每小時
拍攝幾十名患者的眼底,但這些照片往往還要複核。而就算複核,也不一定能成,時間就
這麼白白浪費了。
實際上,醫療業內人士對Google醫療AI翻車並不意外。因為在特定的場景下(比如要求嚴
苛的實驗室),AI完成得再準確,也無法改變臨床時水土不服的窘境。
醫療從業人員表示「從技術來講,我認為Google這套系統的算法還是處於初級的階段,存
在很大的問題」,「科研和臨床畢竟是兩回事。而且所有拋開驗證過程談準確率的說法,
都是在說大話。」
看樣子,但若要真正打通技術、需求、場景的連接,從而獲得成效,醫療AI仍然任重道遠
。
3.心得/評論:
※必需填寫滿20字
口碑極差 Errrr
看來AI這領域還有很多進步空間,
難怪最近AlphaGo的新聞好像很久沒聽到了?
畢竟當出新聞報的很大好像是台師大弄得?
難得的台灣之光,希望可以繼續下去...
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表示自己護理師很行很難被取代

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同一個病人看10個醫生8個回答都不一樣
光是這點AI就屌打了,
真正浪費健保的是人是垃圾醫生

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到垃圾醫生的 都是因為自己是垃圾病人 覺得醫生都要
騙自己的錢 也不想想自己那點錢醫生真的要騙錢大概
沒時間理你

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誤答案

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腫瘤啊之類的東西或是找出數據間的關係,即便不能
當第一線,也大大可以造福社會

By Carol
at 2021-02-13T19:22
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眼底鏡都可以分析,到最後可能直接設計一款控制角
度跟光線的機器

By Poppy
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應,到那一步資料端反而是小事了吧!
不過還是希望眼底鏡早點出感覺超強

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難超過醫生
當然你會說那我就找最厲害的醫生來訓練了,不就屌打
那些菜鳥?但是實際上都是普通的醫生才會加入

By Zenobia
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但是這個長期還是有可能做起來

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師做最後判斷

By Wallis
at 2021-02-27T22:24
at 2021-02-27T22:24
可以統一標準了 而不會因為被告長的醜或講話太大聲
或法官早上跟老婆吵架而被多判1年

By Carol
at 2021-02-28T06:26
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By Barb Cronin
at 2021-02-28T21:19
at 2021-02-28T21:19
中國這塊搞不好比他們強了

By Gilbert
at 2021-03-02T19:23
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賣

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at 2021-03-13T21:37

By Franklin
at 2021-03-18T20:01
at 2021-03-18T20:01
無監督式學習才可以徹底擺脫專業專科醫師專家的束
縛(就是避免他們跟我們分股份或要錢啦!)

By Jack
at 2021-03-22T06:55
at 2021-03-22T06:55
景,我們做虛擬實境就是訓練醫學生手術(實際上體驗
極差,所以醫學生不愛用,這部分瓶頸在於硬體跟不
上),至於專業醫師訓練AI多半在視覺影像圖片上,這
部分已經是紅海一片,預計許多公司撐不過今年底,
病歷不提了,太敏感,手術機器人則專利在…,目前
最成熟還是NLP對話和圖片,其他慢慢搞吧!

By Lily
at 2021-03-26T10:29
at 2021-03-26T10:29
識那是標線的狀況一樣

By Ursula
at 2021-03-29T17:32
at 2021-03-29T17:32
一塊大黃石頭或黃牛,就覺得目前真能上路還是危險
重重,除非是專用車道,去年每次人工智能學院一起
出去談轉化,就是智能車沒投資者要投…

By Belly
at 2021-04-01T18:28
at 2021-04-01T18:28
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