2015/01/16 盤後閒聊 - 期貨

Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2015-01-16T14:11

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大家週末愉快

沒人開,自告奮勇服務一下~

恭喜大家多空雙賺,週一等收割!

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Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2015-01-20T00:39
◢▆▅▄▃ 天╰(〒皿〒)╯啊 ▃▄▅▆◣救救多單
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2015-01-24T14:03
樓上GG
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2015-01-26T07:31
Z大多單還在92up??
Una avatar
By Una
at 2015-01-27T12:28
=_=剛打電話給營業員發現真的點金靈當了。我收盤看停損才
發現沒平倉。。。
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2015-01-30T19:41
冏我被婊了
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2015-01-31T03:48
外資多單也沒平倉 別怕XD
早盤手機系統報價狂lag 真的是新手我初次見到
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2015-02-04T08:17
看起來外資想做多 才賣那麼一點
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-02-05T08:25
重點是點金靈當機這件事讓我很不爽
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2015-02-10T05:16
遇到快市的話就GG了
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2015-02-11T09:08
這禮拜康和跟元大都當機一次喔
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2015-02-12T23:46
媽der永豐也很不穩,停損到很快,停利總是滑價平不掉
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-02-15T08:19
真心推荐富邦 少人頻寬又大
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2015-02-19T19:37
今天虧損278點
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2015-02-21T18:59
還好今天KGI桌機穩定==不然哭哭
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2015-02-25T08:45
大三元的介面我最愛
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2015-02-28T03:29
Xcd大 怎麼每天都在賠錢阿 資金真雄厚
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2015-03-03T00:32
樓上新警察?
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2015-03-04T20:44
Xcd大都是反話。。。。
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2015-03-09T07:47
xcd大大是元老級人物……賠錢是賞散戶飯吃好嗎?
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2015-03-14T01:17
強~
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2015-03-17T01:49
Xcd大 看到虧損就是賺...你就知道他賺多大了 @@
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2015-03-17T07:07
我點精靈沒當機欸@_@
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2015-03-22T02:26
正常+1
John avatar
By John
at 2015-03-22T13:47
翻譯: 市場因XCD大而賠錢
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2015-03-25T16:55
我的點金靈這幾天只要現貨開盤,k線圖(6000)就報價延遲幾分
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2015-03-26T18:18
鐘,請問有解嗎?? 有重抓過免安裝版到ramdisk了還是一樣
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2015-03-30T06:39
大會報告:鐵訊:9130以下就是買點,波段多,死抱多單到底
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-04-03T14:51
點精靈今天真的很有問題,好像昨天就有問題了
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2015-04-03T21:06
我用手機板的
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2015-04-05T11:49
手機會掛不見得是軟體的問題,非常有可能是硬體太弱
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-04-09T21:55
要看盤下單還是用好一點的pc
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2015-04-10T01:54
點精靈這幾天都會這樣,愈來愈弱了,一直Lag
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2015-04-10T13:36
最近用3g或wifi都會無預警的當機或連不上。
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2015-04-12T10:12
感謝反鐵大造福我們這些 不得其門而入的鐵粉 感恩 感謝
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-04-15T09:41
感謝。沒意外等一下又有某c要來酸了
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2015-04-17T22:14
要大回檔了!! 快點公布期貨淨口數!!!
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2015-04-22T06:53
糟了 一堆人看空
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2015-04-22T14:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O72RLP5fF4 bon~bon~
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2015-04-25T16:36
期權1月16日法人留倉籌碼變化 http://ppt.cc/3BkV
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2015-04-29T21:27
睡一整天沒加空到,下週再來加
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-05-03T07:10
請服用 婊飛鳴 錠
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2015-05-04T23:55
好好的人不做,去做鐵粉,真是無奇不有
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2015-05-09T15:41
可是蛇大 我生來就是個暖暖包啊Q_q 樓下呱呱包
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2015-05-10T11:33
量喊著喊著也滾到1100了 !(蛇摩時候也出現公營投顧)
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-05-12T23:08
老大哥不要跟小弟計較 你看收買了多少人心......
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2015-05-13T15:58
外資沒跑那是誰殺盤的啊
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2015-05-14T20:09
樓上, 鐵哥波段多 BJ4
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2015-05-17T05:44
明天是關鍵
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2015-05-18T17:47
鐵哥波段多 短線空 長線忽多忽空 CP雙買 PC雙賣 大小台互鎖
David avatar
By David
at 2015-05-22T15:17
明天是關鍵?不是周末了嗎@@?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2015-05-27T13:43
最近被美股婊好慘...多單續凹 星期一開黑就停損...
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2015-06-01T05:54
瑞指八千點保衛戰
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2015-06-04T06:06
蛇大在說誰?
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2015-06-08T13:14
幹恁老師我剛剛算了一下一二三月的預計支出快30萬,幹
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2015-06-11T21:50
不算還好,一算嚇到我,操
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2015-06-14T18:59
一月底7萬,二月13萬,三月8萬,媽的年終還不夠付
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2015-06-15T03:50
刷了些什麼東西阿@@ 這麼爽@@?還是小孩奶粉錢老婆生活費
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2015-06-19T23:46
周一如果沒台GG一夫當關,鬼股應該會像今日韓股~一路向南
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2015-06-24T07:19
週一關鍵
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2015-06-25T22:14
要不要看看外資的p 會不會嚇到
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2015-06-26T19:13
外資put 又沒增加多少 之前動不動23萬口以上再來擔心好嗎
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2015-06-27T13:31
只是說他們風險都鎖好了 真崩下去也沒差
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2015-06-27T19:24
希臘有銀行出現擠兌了 大家小心 新聞我貼了@@ 應該沒錯
Una avatar
By Una
at 2015-06-28T20:21
推樓上新聞
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2015-07-02T22:59
空單很多嗎?
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2015-07-05T13:17
感覺空軍遇到桌球削球選手 殺都殺不死……
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2015-07-09T14:34
A50大媽夜期爆跌……好險留空單………為周一中國大媽默哀
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2015-07-12T07:25
TGI FRIDAY~~~~爽啊~~~
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2015-07-17T00:03
今天的美國隊長將帶領大家新的方向 是天堂還是地獄?
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2015-07-18T04:51
美國隊長再來第三次V反轉嗎??乾五科玲?
http://i.imgur.com/BAVIaSy.jpg
是說線向下這麼抖。。。
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2015-07-22T17:11
我是覺的隊長拉的機會很大,台股根本逆天阿....XD
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2015-07-26T06:45
180補掉空單 反手多
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2015-07-26T15:12
隊長不知道生氣了沒
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2015-07-28T18:57
黑輪哥太威了
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2015-07-29T09:35
DJ四天賺約台指330點 波動也還好 輸摩台很多
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2015-08-01T11:57
摩台 歐台都好硬 不知在硬什麼@@
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2015-08-03T05:18
抓交替
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2015-08-04T18:54
看來真的生氣了
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2015-08-05T23:18
摩台生氣了 +2.4
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2015-08-06T03:02
塊陶阿
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2015-08-07T04:18
fxcm 盤前跌89% 目前停止交易 大概瑞郎的部位爆掉了
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2015-08-10T17:40
FXCM會不會破產阿.....
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2015-08-11T22:52
唉 有雷曼這前例 不會有什麼大道到不會倒的事了
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2015-08-13T18:09
好多家都好慘 想套人家的利 人家要你的身家
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2015-08-17T05:01
摩台... 我錯過什麼了嗎XD
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2015-08-19T01:32
應該有人開始高興多單當機沒平倉了
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2015-08-21T20:40
完全不高興...
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2015-08-23T02:53
昨晚多軍也是爽整晚....周休二日放鬆一下吧
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2015-08-25T12:23
美元跟火箭一樣噴射
z大為何不開薰
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2015-08-28T08:05
就沒按既定的策略走。所以不開心。賠錢也要賠個痛快一點
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2015-08-31T12:07
星期ㄧ要嘎爆空軍了,外資現在硬拉摩台+3了
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-09-03T03:09
這到也是 紀律還是要遵守
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2015-09-04T10:54
這樣又要被凌遲兩天,壓力頗大
最近在看海龜操作跟投機者及漫步華爾街學觀念
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2015-09-06T14:55
2330adr 週一激戰part2 聽說今天資減券增
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2015-09-10T07:37
我倒是很賭爛自己早上沒刷到下來這趟...
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2015-09-13T15:22
我是以做波段為主。XD所以上衝下洗只要沒到點都還好
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2015-09-14T02:03
感覺隊長只要再洗下來一次就下地獄了 @@
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2015-09-15T09:52
坦克根本搭隊長便車創新高
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2015-09-18T23:53
目前小道很像在建倉 至於往哪邊就不知道惹-.-
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2015-09-21T05:26
糟糕 空軍又要被嘎了 太悲劇了
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2015-09-22T07:02
這盤就不要預設立場...來去安心睡個兩天
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2015-09-25T17:18
賭錯了 根本沒M頭 週一死定了 一堆PUT...先去公園報到了
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2015-09-28T15:59
海龜裡有很多觀念不過,漫步的話我覺得看隨機致富的傻瓜
會好一些
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2015-09-30T14:34
感謝蛇大,一樣都看
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2015-10-03T12:04
德國有病
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2015-10-05T23:18
夕軍可以開始大聲了嗎 ... 抖
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2015-10-10T13:23
坦克又萬點了 萬點魂
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2015-10-11T21:59
週一先嘎爆天哥 讓天哥平推
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2015-10-13T10:10
天哥回補起來應該是幾千口再補的 莊家: 給他開個+250
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2015-10-15T03:38
我贏了媽??
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2015-10-15T19:50
真的歹就補? 感覺抖抖der
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2015-10-16T13:56
慘...
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2015-10-21T00:42
一樣開平
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2015-10-25T11:17
確定開平?摩台盤後對照
27.254*3.5=95.389
加權指數會上漲95點
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2015-10-30T04:24
空軍安息吧摩台噴出
禮拜一c要翻倍了
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2015-10-31T01:37
樓上:摩台1點=台股27.254點在哪查的?會每季調整嗎?
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2015-11-02T22:51
加權收/摩台收=9138.29/338.8=26.97
27打錯
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2015-11-06T00:47
26.97*3.5(摩台上漲點數)=94.395
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2015-11-08T18:48
所以是94.395空軍可以開心了算錯少噴一點
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2015-11-09T10:18
坦克率先表態,根本不甩隊長
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2015-11-12T01:50
=.=...不要預設立場。我現在已經被鬼股磨到心平氣和了
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2015-11-13T03:02
z大試著在前高前低反打,嚴格停損,不用凹單,心情好點
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2015-11-15T14:58
我是用順式系統,也嚴格停筍 ,波段單沒在凹XDDD
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2015-11-17T10:36
只是這次順式被婊兩次冏
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2015-11-17T19:34
主要還是最近震盪啦
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2015-11-18T16:42
這種盤是有勢但是不明顯倒是很適合當沖 版上神人群賺翻了
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2015-11-23T09:29
唉…順勢都被巴…禮拜一慘樓…
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2015-11-24T06:58
看起來很猛 日k還是被下彎均線壓著
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2015-11-25T06:55
全球應該是挑戰20141015的點位 私以為
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2015-11-29T21:45
這波沒玩到德國有點可惜 噴超兇
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2015-12-04T10:28
兩天左右噴台指600點幅度 超強坦克車
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2015-12-08T15:54
過去一個多月 沒玩到輕原油更可惜
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2015-12-08T20:43
對呀 這些大行情沒參與到真得可惜
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2015-12-11T01:14
以後寫個監控軟體 來掃全球商品好了
John avatar
By John
at 2015-12-15T15:00
鬼島的空軍 選錯商品來玩 不選海期選呆指 悲情 注定一
場空
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2015-12-16T08:58
有炫哥加持多軍 要噴了嗎
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2015-12-19T19:31
狼妃 菩薩蠻主唱先走一步了
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2015-12-22T21:37
怎麼會有人會去看摩台盤後去算星期一的開盤 很好笑
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2015-12-27T09:05
摩台盤後不是絕對 那只是讓你避險而已 醒一醒
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2015-12-28T11:27
同意,週四晚上摩台爆噴,週五一開盤也開低
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2016-01-01T15:52
好 屌 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsERwmBae8
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2016-01-01T23:38
週五 跌破9160支撐 之後反彈卻無力站回 先看9160是否
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2016-01-06T14:19
我是看星期一9170有強壓
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2016-01-07T09:53
週五台股開低是因為週四摩台收盤後美收低
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2016-01-12T09:31
週五晚摩台收盤後美股繼續衝高。不一樣
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2016-01-13T03:17
看摩台盤後與歐台指走勢就認定台指下一個工作日的趨勢。
那週五中國大媽a50盤後大跌5%,不就山山了。好大的套利空
間喔,那亞洲盤又可能...@@。看盤後變成股神?
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2016-01-14T18:33
如果週摩台盤後-4,你們會參考嗎
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2016-01-15T16:42
總是喜歡挑自己有利的做預測,如果遇到反向的狀況往往
不知所措
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2016-01-18T11:20
看到羅賓老師表演撲克牌押寶出老千 太強了!!
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2016-01-22T15:44
鬼指玩久了的人 不是都知道開盤才算數 其他只是參考用
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2016-01-23T00:50
大家都看很空的時候~就該做多了啦~
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2016-01-24T12:45
看來鐵大是逆勢系統的
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2016-01-26T13:37
在龍井花田季焢窯真累,本魯不適合焢窯。
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2016-01-31T09:06
外資十大法人都做多 歐美也都剛創新高 這邊多單算順勢
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2016-02-01T08:31
中.日.香港算創近期高 12月國內上市總營收幾乎創新高
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2016-02-01T20:37
就資卷角度,現在還是多空分歧的狀態,還是大家在等22或2
5日咧?
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2016-02-05T23:08
鐵訊上週嘎空百點,結果下殺百點,給大家參考
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-02-08T13:05
焢窯完成的時候才是小魯出場的時候 (  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2016-02-11T01:28
預計兩點半開挖,藍天大在龍井嗎?本魯烟薰就飽,吃
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2016-02-11T15:03
不下。
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2016-02-13T23:09
那就直接開高9180給你看
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2016-02-16T13:24
要相信鐵哥:一直猜,總有一天會猜對
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2016-02-17T09:14
改叫猜哥
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2016-02-18T04:54
這不是猜! 該要做多~這邊會反彈~
另外NESED,你有你自己看盤方式,不用這邊搞亂大家思緒!
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2016-02-21T12:59
以後不會發表看法嚕~我來清內賊~嘿嘿嘿~
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2016-02-21T14:19
另外,NESED上周有設兩條策略,沒有過高,就往下殺~群組有說
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2016-02-23T06:26
nesed這個內鬼一直抓不到 太可惡了 XDDD
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2016-02-24T13:15
鐵粉無間道:有內鬼!終止交易!
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2016-02-26T02:27
阿強 快把貨丟掉 快!!
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2016-02-29T03:21
鐵絲記住你的話 以後都不要在這發表笑死人的看法喔
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2016-03-02T12:04
每發表一次要吃三次歸零糕XD
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2016-03-02T14:05
把OP丟海裡~~~~~~~~~
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2016-03-04T02:18
腳被發現了
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2016-03-06T23:56
什麼款ㄟ殺氣什麼款ㄟ角色什麼款ㄟ梟雄迫阮策馬墜風塵
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2016-03-11T07:27
腳跟腳不能讓他們見面
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2016-03-14T00:06
鴻海槓上台北市政府,是否會影響股市?
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2016-03-18T09:37
http://tinyurl.com/l4rad2p
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2016-03-22T04:57
鐵神"沒有過高,就往下殺"der兩條策略能涵蓋所有盤型誒
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2016-03-23T07:36
難怪一堆鬼要去偷策略 鐵神加我賴 抓鬼我內行的 嘿嘿嘿
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2016-03-25T07:42
又要飛了?
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2016-03-28T03:53
各位大仙有何看法

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By Lauren
at 2015-01-16T11:20
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William avatar
By William
at 2015-01-16T09:48
跌到這邊 9087 可能有小支 9144 是壓 站穩 9144 比較有希忘止緩 跟前幾天想的一樣 其實方向還沒出來 仍就是 9120 +- 200 點震盪吧 -- 國內外期貨/證券 交易俱樂部 http://www.facebook.com/TradeClubs - ...

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By Harry
at 2015-01-16T09:36
※ 引述《fatpooh (i live in 100 aker wood)》之銘言: : 想請問有沒有善於做瑞郎期貨的大大?現在漲那麼多可以空了嗎?還是 : 有善心的大大可以帶我做瑞郎期貨賺大錢?之前做多原油期貨賠了三千 : 美元,現在又湊了三千美元想翻身,看現在瑞郎波動幅度那麼大如果 : 方向做對的話,可 ...

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By Yuri
at 2015-01-16T07:47
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Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2015-01-16T07:02
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