蔣尚義:在武漢弘芯時期是令人難受的經歷 - 股票
By Agatha
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《Su22 (裝配匠)》之銘言:
: 3.心得/評論:
: ※必需填寫滿20字
: 感覺蔣爸心裡一定是有很深的領悟
: 不知道蔣爸有無可能回來台灣
: 與後輩工程師們與投資人們
: 分享這段心路歷程
: 不論是求職或選擇投資標的時候,有甚麼方法可以避免地雷公司等等
基本上可以看出中國這塊要完蛋了
政策鼓勵自製晶片 但出台政策的是享受網路噴發這時代出來的官員
造晶片這種東西要時間.跟網路不同 不是一堆人衝上去幹就完事
中國現在太過於沉浸在網路時代的成功案例 政策偏向補貼下去大家一起幹.等殺得差不多後自然會出現一個強者
晶片不是這樣玩的
人才.資本到位後要時間 這時間在網路裡可能是三個月 半年 一年等
有的公司錯過一個月馬上就死
像百度外賣.過個年把外送員遣回老家 年節結束就直接招不到外送員當場噴掉
網路競爭非常迅速
但放到晶片這領域起碼是三五年起跳
現在缺晶片加上中國的愛國論導致一堆資本到處亂挹注
愛國不能賺錢 我從沒看過有哪個廠商靠愛國把自己做大做強的
講愛國常常講到韓國.韓國那是在自家先做起來 然後拿去全世界販賣跟對手相殺練exp的
競爭才會讓產品進步.你看看裕隆.造車還比現代早 人家殺入前五大車廠 你還在台灣汽車產業30萬人不能倒.這種車廠有競爭力才有鬼
話說回標題
中國現在的晶片熱出台的政策是不要求營利 只要營收達標就能上市割韭菜
往好處想是不給這些fab壓力.讓他們融資獲取資金上開一條康莊大道
但這不符商業規範
商業上是
1.研發產品 2.搶客戶搶市場 3.最後營利
這政策只會讓fab想辦法做到第二點.把產品賣出去就行 不要求利潤
反正有賣就能上市 上市就能割韭
這也是為什麼中國今年一大堆搞房地產.水產等五花八門行業也要跑去搞晶片
大家都只想做到第二步上市套現....畢竟過去幾年中國企業就是靠這樣爽割股市的
把產品賣出去跟賣出去賺錢是兩種完全不同的概念
後者是把產品做好創造收益
前者是多做產品來多創造收入
相信我 中國人多創造收入只會一個辦法 那就是做一堆次品搞低價搶單
然後靠瞎雞巴吹去融資填補虧損
誰還會花好幾年去做技術創新?
拚了命就是為上市套現 資本離開 然後就沒有了
問題丟到後面 還是要回到商業邏輯優勝劣汰的法則上
晶片不是網路那種靠流量吃補貼搶占市場的產品
他沒辦法賠本賣到對手全死光剩一家老大然後訂高價爽賣
GG一片12吋5nm晶圓賣個三萬鎂好了
你12吋87nm賣3鎂能賣到GG倒嗎?
fab這水很深 見證網路紅利時代的腦子想出的政策 我已經能看見他團滅的未來啦
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妻子:甚麼是通貨膨脹? 夫:通貨數量增加使購買力下降.過多貨幣去追逐少量貨物...
妻子:講簡單點
丈夫:以前你的三圍是36/24/35.現在變48/40/50.雖然你擁有的更多了.但你的價值卻
比以前低.這就是通貨膨脹
摘錄自民明書房:輕鬆學會經濟學
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: 3.心得/評論:
: ※必需填寫滿20字
: 感覺蔣爸心裡一定是有很深的領悟
: 不知道蔣爸有無可能回來台灣
: 與後輩工程師們與投資人們
: 分享這段心路歷程
: 不論是求職或選擇投資標的時候,有甚麼方法可以避免地雷公司等等
基本上可以看出中國這塊要完蛋了
政策鼓勵自製晶片 但出台政策的是享受網路噴發這時代出來的官員
造晶片這種東西要時間.跟網路不同 不是一堆人衝上去幹就完事
中國現在太過於沉浸在網路時代的成功案例 政策偏向補貼下去大家一起幹.等殺得差不多後自然會出現一個強者
晶片不是這樣玩的
人才.資本到位後要時間 這時間在網路裡可能是三個月 半年 一年等
有的公司錯過一個月馬上就死
像百度外賣.過個年把外送員遣回老家 年節結束就直接招不到外送員當場噴掉
網路競爭非常迅速
但放到晶片這領域起碼是三五年起跳
現在缺晶片加上中國的愛國論導致一堆資本到處亂挹注
愛國不能賺錢 我從沒看過有哪個廠商靠愛國把自己做大做強的
講愛國常常講到韓國.韓國那是在自家先做起來 然後拿去全世界販賣跟對手相殺練exp的
競爭才會讓產品進步.你看看裕隆.造車還比現代早 人家殺入前五大車廠 你還在台灣汽車產業30萬人不能倒.這種車廠有競爭力才有鬼
話說回標題
中國現在的晶片熱出台的政策是不要求營利 只要營收達標就能上市割韭菜
往好處想是不給這些fab壓力.讓他們融資獲取資金上開一條康莊大道
但這不符商業規範
商業上是
1.研發產品 2.搶客戶搶市場 3.最後營利
這政策只會讓fab想辦法做到第二點.把產品賣出去就行 不要求利潤
反正有賣就能上市 上市就能割韭
這也是為什麼中國今年一大堆搞房地產.水產等五花八門行業也要跑去搞晶片
大家都只想做到第二步上市套現....畢竟過去幾年中國企業就是靠這樣爽割股市的
把產品賣出去跟賣出去賺錢是兩種完全不同的概念
後者是把產品做好創造收益
前者是多做產品來多創造收入
相信我 中國人多創造收入只會一個辦法 那就是做一堆次品搞低價搶單
然後靠瞎雞巴吹去融資填補虧損
誰還會花好幾年去做技術創新?
拚了命就是為上市套現 資本離開 然後就沒有了
問題丟到後面 還是要回到商業邏輯優勝劣汰的法則上
晶片不是網路那種靠流量吃補貼搶占市場的產品
他沒辦法賠本賣到對手全死光剩一家老大然後訂高價爽賣
GG一片12吋5nm晶圓賣個三萬鎂好了
你12吋87nm賣3鎂能賣到GG倒嗎?
fab這水很深 見證網路紅利時代的腦子想出的政策 我已經能看見他團滅的未來啦
--
妻子:甚麼是通貨膨脹? 夫:通貨數量增加使購買力下降.過多貨幣去追逐少量貨物...
妻子:講簡單點
丈夫:以前你的三圍是36/24/35.現在變48/40/50.雖然你擁有的更多了.但你的價值卻
比以前低.這就是通貨膨脹
摘錄自民明書房:輕鬆學會經濟學
--
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