英特爾傳擬併購Altera 帶動美股上漲 - 股票
By Noah
at 2015-03-29T13:35
at 2015-03-29T13:35
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我想分幾個部份來解釋好了:
1. coolgigi 提到說 Altera 全數轉單 Intel,這是錯的。
目前 Altera 只有 14nm 新產品選擇到 Intel 投片,但是尚未量產。
至於其他包含 28nm/60nm/65nm/90nm/0.13um...等,都還是在 TSMC 投片。
此外,就算往後有計劃將量產品通通搬回去自家生產 (假設合併) 好了,
一般來說換晶圓廠的導入期,快則六個月,慢可達一年甚至 18 個月。
以多數 RD 會待到的系統廠來說就好,end customer 進 AVL 至少要三個月不是?
更何況還有前面內部的設計變更 (不同製程參數有差異) 等等...
另外就是 obov 提到的,實際上生產量所佔的比重並不高,因為這是高單價產品。
2. 此合併若為真,代表 x86 已死?
老實說會把 x86 和 FPGA 綁在一起講,說 FPGA 會取代 x86,
根本就是一種幻想與 non-sense,也表示著你根本不曉得 FPGA 在幹什麼用的。
在 Altera/Xilinx 的財報上 (http://goo.gl/xeoCfV @Altera 2014/Q4)
都會秀出 vertical market 的比重以及比重變化。
無論是 Altera/Xilinx 哪一間公司,營收主要來源一直都是 Telecom/Wireless
而且,生意主要都是在局端設備,而非一般消費者接觸到的。
再而其次才是 工業/安控/伺服電腦 等等的市場。
consumer 市場?拜託你想做他們搞不好還嫌你利潤太低沒興趣勒~
3. 有人提到 IoT?
IoT 可能會影響到的有兩部份:
第一個是末端 sensor device 的部份,
這部份現有所多產品幾乎都可以套用,本來也就是 8051/M0/M3 的主要市場
就只是現有的產品再墊上一些東西(功能)而已,只是終端需求有可能變的更多
但是這一塊與 x86 (pc) 市場本來就是不重疊的。
第二個部份,IoT 其實很重要一點就是在於大量收集資料之後並做分析與應用
而所謂的分析與應用,早就是進行式了,只是目前還主要在高階 server 之上而已
有興趣的可以去看這篇新聞裡面的解釋吧:http://goo.gl/B23uSI
(Virtex-6 是 Xilinx 上一代的高階 FPGA)
4. 就是因為這個購併風聲,導致上星期台積電對後勢看衰?
這個推論本身也是相當不合理的。
第一點就有提到,FPGA 這一塊短期內絕對不可能有大影響。
台積電對後續的看衰,最主要應該是來自於他第一大客戶高通的需求下修。
我自己看法是與 Samsung S6 有關係。
簡單舉例,只要算一下過往 Samsung 旗鑑機一年銷售了多少台,
就表示著高通賣了幾顆 IC,而這些 IC 泰半都是投片在台積電。
而如今 Samsung S6 選擇使用自主晶片,就算一下這部份對台積產能影響多大就好
而這塊市場,與 FPGA 八竿子打不著關係,用不著硬扯在一起看。
實際上,FPGA 這幾年的市場也有點遇到瓶頸的感覺,
而兩間主要供應商也都從 28nm 起跨入了 ARM-base SoC FPGA,就是想搶新的灘頭堡
前面有帶到,server 板子上面現在幾乎都有放高階 FPGA 來做高速與即時運算使用
若是整併為真,那到底 intel x86 CPU + FPGA 會怎麼提出新的 solution
我想這才是最有趣的,也是市場上最值得做後續關注的...
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