聽我ㄧ言:請客觀看待消費券政策之必要性 - 股票
By Ethan
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義氣用事其實無助於解決當前的困境。
大家都不喜歡舉債,大家都不喜歡政府發錢,看起來好像很蠢。
500億很多? 1000億很多?
2007年中華民國政府稅收是,嗯,和大家分享一下:
(單位:百萬台幣) 幾個繳稅大項是...
總計 所得稅 營所稅 綜所得稅 營業稅
2006 1 600 804 646 218 311 888 334 330 236 931
2007 1 733 895 730 160 382 634 347 526 246 137
營業稅+營所稅約6千3百億 佔了超過國家稅收的1/3
這兩項不要衰退太多,只要像美國一樣第四季衰退個2.8%就好,一年稅收就少了180億
更不要說所牽連的關廠關店,失業潮,股市崩跌,等等所帶動的連鎖效應。
你在這個經濟勢如水火之際,小錢不想花,當心賠上的反而更多。
喔,對了台灣的民間消費佔總額超過7兆台幣,佔GDP比重將近7成
已經可以預告的是,明年出口會很慘,萎縮至少10%以上,民間消費這塊要是挫起來
等著經濟負成長見。
有時不禁在想,這裡看板的人是不是年紀都蠻輕的?
連2001年的經濟慘況都印象不是很深刻?
經濟負成長若是重現,明年房價至少再跌三成,稅收會大幅萎縮。
損失會不可計量,國民財富縮水的程度絕對遠大於這"區區"的"500億"
目前台灣的經濟危機,就在當下,就在明年,撐過去之後,一定會好轉。
因此一次性的消費,本來就是最適當的。
不此之道,反而蠻多人喜歡政府花錢去推動什麼"厚植國力"的經建計畫?
覺得這比發錢聰明...?
偏偏歷史經驗告訴我們,急就章,缺乏規劃的重大建設,往往是長期財政災難的開始,
日本過去就曾身受其害(盲目推動重大工程救經濟,結果反而導致國家長期債台高築
因為這些工程絕大多數都是缺乏效益的建設),目前大陸似乎要重蹈覆轍?
算了,不關我們的事。
當下有難,就當下花點錢解解災厄即可,養一堆長期的錢坑是嫌麻煩不夠多?
很多人喜歡拿小布希的退稅來說此政策的失敗,事實上這個政策在第2季是成功的,
很明顯的提振了經濟成長,Q2經濟成長是2.8%
後來的失敗原因是為什麼你們知道嗎?是因為沒有趁勝追擊!
當初我曾和ryanchao大談過,小布希應該在第三季持續追加同等規模的退稅金額。
如此一來效應加乘,對整體民間消費,工業生產和加速房地產落底幫助會大上很多,
但是沒有,因為美國同樣有一堆道貌岸然的"民間反彈",大家都嫌布希亂花錢。
結果呢?到了第三季,美國經濟徹底惡化,房市和華爾街投資銀行紛紛中彈身亡
最後為了防止經濟體系整個崩盤,美國政府和納稅人還是得出面為華爾接買單。
代價是多少?7000億!!!整整是第三季退稅總額1500億的4倍有餘!!
小錢不花,反而花大錢..血淋淋的教訓就在眼前。
目前看來,明年第一季Obama上任後估計也會再次採行退稅或是發放消費券的政策。
這就是我之所以不但認為政府這項政策若執行得宜,會是好政策
甚至認為應該施行兩次的原因,(12~1月發放一次,明年第二季後再追加一次)
這麼一來,才能徹底確保台灣經濟不會落入嚴重衰退的困境中。
※ 引述《forix200 (法理士)》之銘言:
: 經建會研擬的「消費券」方案,確定採取排富方式,將發放對象為年收入120萬元以下家
: 庭,至於發放金額則有三個方案,仍有待決策來做最後的拍板定案。估計大概要發5,6百
: 億元,錢從哪裡來? 想必又是舉債囉!
: 一個雙薪家庭年收入要超過120萬,然後扣掉教養及敬老支出,還會剩多少?
: 更何況哪些人真正受惠,是不是又是個黑箱作業!先前的近貧專案還有老師受惠,這算甚麼
: ㄚ,為何辛苦的納稅錢要這樣亂花? 妳看看公務員國民旅遊卡就知道,有多少人是真正在消
: 費還是套現? 這樣真能拼經濟嗎?敗給這些惱殘的官員!!
: 以後政府財政有問題時,還不是又從這些中產階級下手,難道中產階級該死,好康沒份?
: 倒楣的絕對逃不掉!!
: 歡迎對這主題有興趣的朋友到部落格去投票,給有關當局參考
: http://blog.yam.com/forix/article/18276483
: http://pk.yam.com/open_inner.php?topic_id=15559
: http://pk.yam.com/open_inner.php?topic_id=15558
--
大家都不喜歡舉債,大家都不喜歡政府發錢,看起來好像很蠢。
500億很多? 1000億很多?
2007年中華民國政府稅收是,嗯,和大家分享一下:
(單位:百萬台幣) 幾個繳稅大項是...
總計 所得稅 營所稅 綜所得稅 營業稅
2006 1 600 804 646 218 311 888 334 330 236 931
2007 1 733 895 730 160 382 634 347 526 246 137
營業稅+營所稅約6千3百億 佔了超過國家稅收的1/3
這兩項不要衰退太多,只要像美國一樣第四季衰退個2.8%就好,一年稅收就少了180億
更不要說所牽連的關廠關店,失業潮,股市崩跌,等等所帶動的連鎖效應。
你在這個經濟勢如水火之際,小錢不想花,當心賠上的反而更多。
喔,對了台灣的民間消費佔總額超過7兆台幣,佔GDP比重將近7成
已經可以預告的是,明年出口會很慘,萎縮至少10%以上,民間消費這塊要是挫起來
等著經濟負成長見。
有時不禁在想,這裡看板的人是不是年紀都蠻輕的?
連2001年的經濟慘況都印象不是很深刻?
經濟負成長若是重現,明年房價至少再跌三成,稅收會大幅萎縮。
損失會不可計量,國民財富縮水的程度絕對遠大於這"區區"的"500億"
目前台灣的經濟危機,就在當下,就在明年,撐過去之後,一定會好轉。
因此一次性的消費,本來就是最適當的。
不此之道,反而蠻多人喜歡政府花錢去推動什麼"厚植國力"的經建計畫?
覺得這比發錢聰明...?
偏偏歷史經驗告訴我們,急就章,缺乏規劃的重大建設,往往是長期財政災難的開始,
日本過去就曾身受其害(盲目推動重大工程救經濟,結果反而導致國家長期債台高築
因為這些工程絕大多數都是缺乏效益的建設),目前大陸似乎要重蹈覆轍?
算了,不關我們的事。
當下有難,就當下花點錢解解災厄即可,養一堆長期的錢坑是嫌麻煩不夠多?
很多人喜歡拿小布希的退稅來說此政策的失敗,事實上這個政策在第2季是成功的,
很明顯的提振了經濟成長,Q2經濟成長是2.8%
後來的失敗原因是為什麼你們知道嗎?是因為沒有趁勝追擊!
當初我曾和ryanchao大談過,小布希應該在第三季持續追加同等規模的退稅金額。
如此一來效應加乘,對整體民間消費,工業生產和加速房地產落底幫助會大上很多,
但是沒有,因為美國同樣有一堆道貌岸然的"民間反彈",大家都嫌布希亂花錢。
結果呢?到了第三季,美國經濟徹底惡化,房市和華爾街投資銀行紛紛中彈身亡
最後為了防止經濟體系整個崩盤,美國政府和納稅人還是得出面為華爾接買單。
代價是多少?7000億!!!整整是第三季退稅總額1500億的4倍有餘!!
小錢不花,反而花大錢..血淋淋的教訓就在眼前。
目前看來,明年第一季Obama上任後估計也會再次採行退稅或是發放消費券的政策。
這就是我之所以不但認為政府這項政策若執行得宜,會是好政策
甚至認為應該施行兩次的原因,(12~1月發放一次,明年第二季後再追加一次)
這麼一來,才能徹底確保台灣經濟不會落入嚴重衰退的困境中。
※ 引述《forix200 (法理士)》之銘言:
: 經建會研擬的「消費券」方案,確定採取排富方式,將發放對象為年收入120萬元以下家
: 庭,至於發放金額則有三個方案,仍有待決策來做最後的拍板定案。估計大概要發5,6百
: 億元,錢從哪裡來? 想必又是舉債囉!
: 一個雙薪家庭年收入要超過120萬,然後扣掉教養及敬老支出,還會剩多少?
: 更何況哪些人真正受惠,是不是又是個黑箱作業!先前的近貧專案還有老師受惠,這算甚麼
: ㄚ,為何辛苦的納稅錢要這樣亂花? 妳看看公務員國民旅遊卡就知道,有多少人是真正在消
: 費還是套現? 這樣真能拼經濟嗎?敗給這些惱殘的官員!!
: 以後政府財政有問題時,還不是又從這些中產階級下手,難道中產階級該死,好康沒份?
: 倒楣的絕對逃不掉!!
: 歡迎對這主題有興趣的朋友到部落格去投票,給有關當局參考
: http://blog.yam.com/forix/article/18276483
: http://pk.yam.com/open_inner.php?topic_id=15559
: http://pk.yam.com/open_inner.php?topic_id=15558
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