淺談新藥 - 股票

By John
at 2020-07-11T14:11
at 2020-07-11T14:11
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近期看著新藥一窩蜂的熱
好像只要跟藥有關通通都是搖錢樹一般
然而大部分的人只是想跟風一波
對新藥本身卻一知半解
不知其中風險、技術就一直無腦多
也有些人不知道是有意還是無意的鼓吹夢想
說來也弔詭
一邊說著未來美好夢想的同時
當討論起成功率、市場時
又會改口說反正只是衝一波,又沒有要真的放到最後,不管成功失敗早就口袋滿滿了
如果你真的認為會成功,為什麼不放到夢想實現,豈不噴飛
如果你自己也不認為會成功,那為什麼要向別人鼓吹你自己都不相信的夢想
擺明說我就是只想炒一波很難嗎?
嘛~大概在5.6年前也有過一波生技熱
然後...賺的人賠的人都只有一個印象,台灣生技就只是炒作起來的(明明還是很有料的)
不勝唏噓
上面只是感嘆
下面來講點實在的
整篇重點只有這一個表
https://i.imgur.com/BNjeplR.jpg
只要是你看得到的新藥,幾乎100%都會進一期
不然花錢做臨床前研究幹嘛?沒用的早在實驗室就胎死腹中了,你根本不會看到
因此申請一期、進入一期,是基本中的基本
所以這個表是這樣看的
phase 1-2,從一期往二期做下去的比例(就是一期成功+做二期的意思啦)
phase 2-3是二期成功+往下做三期,這邊需要注意,二期成功有時不一定會做三期
同理,phase 3-BLA(NDA)就是三期成功、申請藥證
BLA-Approval就是拿到藥證
NME跟non-NME的區別我不是非常確定,因此有錯歡迎指正
NME就是一般的小分子新藥
Biologic為蛋白質藥、單抗藥那類的
non-NME我的理解是505B2那個途徑的,新劑型、新給藥方式、新適應症等的新藥
Vaccine是疫苗
所以當你看到一個小分子新藥
臨床前或是正在一期的
他最終成功的機率是6.1%
開始做二期的(一期成功),他已經贏過了那些第一關被淘汰的40%
正在做三期、等解盲的,最終核准上市的成功率是38%(48.7%x78%),即便提出藥證申請還
是有一定比例是失敗的(22%)
這裡講的只是比例(成功率)
如果是無腦多的話,看到這就好了
但如果你想要提高勝率
怎麼能不去研究這間公司葫蘆裡賣的是什麼藥?
是不是真的有前景,結果夠不夠好,跟其他競爭者比起來的優勢是什麼,市場多大等等
提高你選到那6.1%的機率,而不是另外失敗的94%
在做過功課認為這藥確實有潛力後
通常二期有好結果、三期做個幾年是正常的,也不用急著在一開始就衝進去,那時可能剛
漲過一波
臨床試驗都會有預期結束時間
每年公司也都會更新一下進度
大概在預期解盲前的半年~一年內找個好時機(低點)
先進場等了也是個好方法
只要三期做下去,成功率至少5成
(但反過來說也有2.5~5成的機率是賭錯的XD)
再加上如果你有做過功課,你的勝率會高過5成
然後就是等好消息
這也是為什麼"正常情況"下
二期成功才會有人關注,要賭至少勝率高些嘛
三期要做好幾年,總不會股價維持好幾年都在高點
我相信大部分的人也不會想放著等好幾年
所以三期中後才會有熱度的原因就在這
當然現在群魔亂舞的情況下什麼都能炒
不計風險的話
什麼臨床前研究顯示啊,申請一期、申請二期(等同一期成功)的
通通都在炒
不論哪種形式的新藥,二期往三期是失敗率最高的階段
因為三期太花時間、太花錢,是否做三期是最大的檻(即便二期成功也不一定會做三期,
一定要確實有潛力)
這篇並不是說三期前都是垃圾
也不是說三期前都不會漲、不會炒
有心都可以炒
有炒都可以漲
而是在說風險問題(成功率)
有這個認知後,進不進賭場、是漲是跌都是個人的選擇
補充一下
這篇強調的是如果無腦多,就是單純賭整體成功率
但如果你做過功課,選擇有潛力的新藥,你能提高你的勝率
我無意對個別公司分析他的藥好/不好
更無意探討他的股票是漲是跌
股價我真的猜不透,不然我早就退休了XD
稍早有人回說基期夠低都買爆
也不是不行,但風險自然就是高
舉例來說
https://i.imgur.com/bXiJiQE.jpg
這檔(興櫃)在2011年6~10月二期解盲成功(年代久遠查不到確切日期)
股價有高有低,但並無明顯的拉抬
https://i.imgur.com/mbstLG1.jpg
這檔則是2019/04/09新聞出來說二期解盲成功
好像有拉,但又不是很多且隨即被出貨
這還是賭中那25%成功的範例
好不容易4次中1次,漲的卻還不夠補另外3次失敗賠的部分
所以我真的不知道在二期就先進場等在那的用意是?
不賣關子
第一張圖是on101二期解盲成功
第二張圖是太景C肝藥二期解盲成功
除了最近群魔亂舞外,在二期成功之前就賭下去的勝率真的不是很高
當然也沒說絕對沒搞頭
股價高高低低本來就能做波段
風險自己拿捏好就行
--
好像只要跟藥有關通通都是搖錢樹一般
然而大部分的人只是想跟風一波
對新藥本身卻一知半解
不知其中風險、技術就一直無腦多
也有些人不知道是有意還是無意的鼓吹夢想
說來也弔詭
一邊說著未來美好夢想的同時
當討論起成功率、市場時
又會改口說反正只是衝一波,又沒有要真的放到最後,不管成功失敗早就口袋滿滿了
如果你真的認為會成功,為什麼不放到夢想實現,豈不噴飛
如果你自己也不認為會成功,那為什麼要向別人鼓吹你自己都不相信的夢想
擺明說我就是只想炒一波很難嗎?
嘛~大概在5.6年前也有過一波生技熱
然後...賺的人賠的人都只有一個印象,台灣生技就只是炒作起來的(明明還是很有料的)
不勝唏噓
上面只是感嘆
下面來講點實在的
整篇重點只有這一個表
https://i.imgur.com/BNjeplR.jpg
只要是你看得到的新藥,幾乎100%都會進一期
不然花錢做臨床前研究幹嘛?沒用的早在實驗室就胎死腹中了,你根本不會看到
因此申請一期、進入一期,是基本中的基本
所以這個表是這樣看的
phase 1-2,從一期往二期做下去的比例(就是一期成功+做二期的意思啦)
phase 2-3是二期成功+往下做三期,這邊需要注意,二期成功有時不一定會做三期
同理,phase 3-BLA(NDA)就是三期成功、申請藥證
BLA-Approval就是拿到藥證
NME跟non-NME的區別我不是非常確定,因此有錯歡迎指正
NME就是一般的小分子新藥
Biologic為蛋白質藥、單抗藥那類的
non-NME我的理解是505B2那個途徑的,新劑型、新給藥方式、新適應症等的新藥
Vaccine是疫苗
所以當你看到一個小分子新藥
臨床前或是正在一期的
他最終成功的機率是6.1%
開始做二期的(一期成功),他已經贏過了那些第一關被淘汰的40%
正在做三期、等解盲的,最終核准上市的成功率是38%(48.7%x78%),即便提出藥證申請還
是有一定比例是失敗的(22%)
這裡講的只是比例(成功率)
如果是無腦多的話,看到這就好了
但如果你想要提高勝率
怎麼能不去研究這間公司葫蘆裡賣的是什麼藥?
是不是真的有前景,結果夠不夠好,跟其他競爭者比起來的優勢是什麼,市場多大等等
提高你選到那6.1%的機率,而不是另外失敗的94%
在做過功課認為這藥確實有潛力後
通常二期有好結果、三期做個幾年是正常的,也不用急著在一開始就衝進去,那時可能剛
漲過一波
臨床試驗都會有預期結束時間
每年公司也都會更新一下進度
大概在預期解盲前的半年~一年內找個好時機(低點)
先進場等了也是個好方法
只要三期做下去,成功率至少5成
(但反過來說也有2.5~5成的機率是賭錯的XD)
再加上如果你有做過功課,你的勝率會高過5成
然後就是等好消息
這也是為什麼"正常情況"下
二期成功才會有人關注,要賭至少勝率高些嘛
三期要做好幾年,總不會股價維持好幾年都在高點
我相信大部分的人也不會想放著等好幾年
所以三期中後才會有熱度的原因就在這
當然現在群魔亂舞的情況下什麼都能炒
不計風險的話
什麼臨床前研究顯示啊,申請一期、申請二期(等同一期成功)的
通通都在炒
不論哪種形式的新藥,二期往三期是失敗率最高的階段
因為三期太花時間、太花錢,是否做三期是最大的檻(即便二期成功也不一定會做三期,
一定要確實有潛力)
這篇並不是說三期前都是垃圾
也不是說三期前都不會漲、不會炒
有心都可以炒
有炒都可以漲
而是在說風險問題(成功率)
有這個認知後,進不進賭場、是漲是跌都是個人的選擇
補充一下
這篇強調的是如果無腦多,就是單純賭整體成功率
但如果你做過功課,選擇有潛力的新藥,你能提高你的勝率
我無意對個別公司分析他的藥好/不好
更無意探討他的股票是漲是跌
股價我真的猜不透,不然我早就退休了XD
稍早有人回說基期夠低都買爆
也不是不行,但風險自然就是高
舉例來說
https://i.imgur.com/bXiJiQE.jpg
這檔(興櫃)在2011年6~10月二期解盲成功(年代久遠查不到確切日期)
股價有高有低,但並無明顯的拉抬
https://i.imgur.com/mbstLG1.jpg
這檔則是2019/04/09新聞出來說二期解盲成功
好像有拉,但又不是很多且隨即被出貨
這還是賭中那25%成功的範例
好不容易4次中1次,漲的卻還不夠補另外3次失敗賠的部分
所以我真的不知道在二期就先進場等在那的用意是?
不賣關子
第一張圖是on101二期解盲成功
第二張圖是太景C肝藥二期解盲成功
除了最近群魔亂舞外,在二期成功之前就賭下去的勝率真的不是很高
當然也沒說絕對沒搞頭
股價高高低低本來就能做波段
風險自己拿捏好就行
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