橘子違反重訊申報,罰款10萬元 - 股票
By Eartha
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※ 引述《ulycess (ulycess)》之銘言:
: 剛剛查了一下橘子的資產負債表 http://www.cnyes.com/twstock/bs/6180.htm
: 總資產76億,總負債51億,如果扣掉沒有申報的28.82億虧損
: 總資產剩下47億而已,總負債還是51億的話
: 依照公司法211條,除非宣布橘子重整,否則董事要會立刻宣布破產
想要橘子崩的人很多,空軍想、還沒上車的人更想
原本想說笑著看戲就好
但看到這篇亂帶風向、不懂裝懂,忍不住回文了
橘子今天被罰的原因,根本不是28億虧損未申報
而是因為橘子和法人機構說明公司未來營運展望卻沒有公告申報於公開資訊觀測站
簡單來說,就是沒有好康逗相報。
導致資訊不對稱違反上櫃公司重大訊息處理程序及資訊申報作業辦法
所以可以仔細看新聞稿用語是「違約金」,連罰鍰都不算...
新聞稿主文不看清楚,卻一直關注
「另公開資訊觀測站財務重點專區亦揭示遊戲橘子公司106年6月30日直接及
間接轉投資之公司多達64家,其中採權益法認列投資損益之直接轉投資公司,
其原始投資金額總計43億餘元,占該公司股本15.75億元之2.78倍,惟該等公
司之帳面價值僅餘15.01億元,亦即累計已認列之投資損失已達28.82億元占該
公司股本之1.83倍,有關該公司轉投資之相關資訊,請參閱遊戲橘子數位科技
股份有限公司之財務報告附註及附表說明。」
我是不知道櫃買中心新聞稿為什麼要特別強調這句話啦
充其量就是提醒投資人橘子轉投資很多、而且虧很慘,要注意
但居然還有人能把他想成有28億虧損未申報,這真的有夠天才的了
你知道什麼叫「採權益法之長期投資」嗎
簡單來說就是依據持股比例認列被投資公司的權益淨值
就是你在資產負債表中看到的1550 採用權益法之投資。
既然是採權益法,被投資公司虧多少,就會直接反映在帳上
公司一旦沒有認列,會計師查帳時也會取得被投資公司報表去試算,一查就查得出來了
你覺得資誠有可能不認列這28億投資損失嗎?橘子的重大性水準頂多就7000萬而已..
這種低級錯誤我在會計師事務所待了五年還從沒見過.
最後,拜託財報不是只有那四張大表而已,後面的附註和附表也都是財報的一部分
那可是查帳員們花了好幾天加班產出來的心血,希望你好好用心看
人家新聞稿最後都跟你說請參閱財務報告附註及附表說明了...
不會看沒關係,我教你
所有財報都有附註四、重大會計政策之彙總說明
你可以去看橘子Q2財報P.25 (十四) 採用權益法之投資/關聯企業
裡面會寫得很清楚什麼叫權益法認列投資
再來公開發行公司的財報都要編製附表
想看橘子投資了哪些公司虧了多少
請詳財報後面的附表七 被投資公司名稱、所在地區等相關資訊
橘子營運是很爛沒錯啦
但至少他淨值還是正的,你大概沒看過淨值為負的財報吧 呵呵
P.S 我的確曾經持有橘子股票,但已獲利了結,所以我並不是想護航
反之我還滿希望他可以跌下去的,好讓我上車A_A
會發這篇文,單純是看不慣有人不懂裝懂亂帶風向,剛好小弟又是會計師事務所出身
請大家不要誤會了~這篇不討論橘子多空,單純糾正會計和財報觀念^^
--
: 剛剛查了一下橘子的資產負債表 http://www.cnyes.com/twstock/bs/6180.htm
: 總資產76億,總負債51億,如果扣掉沒有申報的28.82億虧損
: 總資產剩下47億而已,總負債還是51億的話
: 依照公司法211條,除非宣布橘子重整,否則董事要會立刻宣布破產
想要橘子崩的人很多,空軍想、還沒上車的人更想
原本想說笑著看戲就好
但看到這篇亂帶風向、不懂裝懂,忍不住回文了
橘子今天被罰的原因,根本不是28億虧損未申報
而是因為橘子和法人機構說明公司未來營運展望卻沒有公告申報於公開資訊觀測站
簡單來說,就是沒有好康逗相報。
導致資訊不對稱違反上櫃公司重大訊息處理程序及資訊申報作業辦法
所以可以仔細看新聞稿用語是「違約金」,連罰鍰都不算...
新聞稿主文不看清楚,卻一直關注
「另公開資訊觀測站財務重點專區亦揭示遊戲橘子公司106年6月30日直接及
間接轉投資之公司多達64家,其中採權益法認列投資損益之直接轉投資公司,
其原始投資金額總計43億餘元,占該公司股本15.75億元之2.78倍,惟該等公
司之帳面價值僅餘15.01億元,亦即累計已認列之投資損失已達28.82億元占該
公司股本之1.83倍,有關該公司轉投資之相關資訊,請參閱遊戲橘子數位科技
股份有限公司之財務報告附註及附表說明。」
我是不知道櫃買中心新聞稿為什麼要特別強調這句話啦
充其量就是提醒投資人橘子轉投資很多、而且虧很慘,要注意
但居然還有人能把他想成有28億虧損未申報,這真的有夠天才的了
你知道什麼叫「採權益法之長期投資」嗎
簡單來說就是依據持股比例認列被投資公司的權益淨值
就是你在資產負債表中看到的1550 採用權益法之投資。
既然是採權益法,被投資公司虧多少,就會直接反映在帳上
公司一旦沒有認列,會計師查帳時也會取得被投資公司報表去試算,一查就查得出來了
你覺得資誠有可能不認列這28億投資損失嗎?橘子的重大性水準頂多就7000萬而已..
這種低級錯誤我在會計師事務所待了五年還從沒見過.
最後,拜託財報不是只有那四張大表而已,後面的附註和附表也都是財報的一部分
那可是查帳員們花了好幾天加班產出來的心血,希望你好好用心看
人家新聞稿最後都跟你說請參閱財務報告附註及附表說明了...
不會看沒關係,我教你
所有財報都有附註四、重大會計政策之彙總說明
你可以去看橘子Q2財報P.25 (十四) 採用權益法之投資/關聯企業
裡面會寫得很清楚什麼叫權益法認列投資
再來公開發行公司的財報都要編製附表
想看橘子投資了哪些公司虧了多少
請詳財報後面的附表七 被投資公司名稱、所在地區等相關資訊
橘子營運是很爛沒錯啦
但至少他淨值還是正的,你大概沒看過淨值為負的財報吧 呵呵
P.S 我的確曾經持有橘子股票,但已獲利了結,所以我並不是想護航
反之我還滿希望他可以跌下去的,好讓我上車A_A
會發這篇文,單純是看不慣有人不懂裝懂亂帶風向,剛好小弟又是會計師事務所出身
請大家不要誤會了~這篇不討論橘子多空,單純糾正會計和財報觀念^^
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