我也淪落要寫畢業文了 - 股票

By Zenobia
at 2018-08-27T23:16
at 2018-08-27T23:16
Table of Contents
※ 引述《BlueGoust (藍鬼)》之銘言:
: 進入股市算一算也五年了
: 從一開始的權證,到現在的到期權
: 當初看了某小哥上節目
: 說權證多好賺多好賺
: 當初也是想如果股市能賺點生活也比較好過
: 沒想到現在連貸款的錢也還不出來了
: 要開學了,我的股市生活也終結了
: 過幾天要連絡銀行做負債協商了
: 一個月貸款2萬5,暑假沒薪水真的付不出來
: 雖然信用會破產,不過自己的人生也是自己要負責
: 這幾年也賠了150有了
: 現在就是默默把錢先還完再說了
原文恕刪
說真的,原本對這種畢業文都是當作笑話在看的
但這篇真的看到我滿難過,尤其又有人在底下回了一些鼓勵繼續投入的文,
讓我實在忍不住來發這篇....
老實講啦,就我生活的觀察,這篇文的原原PO就跟大部份投入股票的上班族一樣心態:
本業薪水不夠,也沒有能力提昇,所以看到一堆股神,就想用「投資」來翻身
投資股票的本意是什麼?
應該某間公司很優質,但缺乏資金,因此讓有錢的投資人投入資金,取得股份
讓缺錢的公司得以發展他的理想,而投資人也能取得這間公司成長的紅利
這應該是才是股票利潤的本質來源
但現在大部份的投資都是什麼?
目標都是買低賣高啦!
也就是老子就是慧眼獨具,能看到現在還沒漲的股票,
然後買了之後馬上猛漲,老子趕快找個替死鬼賣掉,我就賺錢拼翻倍啦!
這不是投資,因為你賺到的錢根本不是因為那間公司成長而來
而是因為奇奇怪怪的因素導致股價上漲,而某個人把股票買走後,你賺得的差價
簡單講就是「投機」
這跟投資不同,這是個是個零和賽局,你投入的資金並沒有創造實質的價值
你賺的錢不是因為公司有了你的資金,成長而得
就只是透過買賣從別人手中賺(賠)一筆差價
講難聽的,
你用這種方法在股市中賺到的一百萬,就代表這個世界上某個人或某群人損失了一百萬
我就直接說白了,這很像什麼?不就是賭博嗎!?
你當賭徒,目標就是其他賭徒手中的錢
最後賭局中一定賺錢的只有抽成的莊家,而對應股票就是劵商(傭金)跟政府(稅)
那現在回到問題點
原原PO這種散戶有機會在股市中贏錢嗎?
如果今天股票是屬於有「實力」跟「努力」,就能增加收益的領域的話
那原原PO一定死!你這種當代課老師再怎麼玩,玩的過專職的人嗎?
你時間一定沒有專職的人多
你的專業一定輸給那些財金科系的專家
你的消息一定沒有那些老江湖靈通
你的錢最後只會變成高手的糧食!
當然一般散戶一定也知道以上的因素,但他們最喜歡講的理由還有:
1.天資
我雖然在其他因素比不過那些財金專家,但誰知道我有沒有這個天資?
我搞不好就是那個萬中選一的股票天才啦!
我這邊就講難聽一點啦,天才搞不好真的會有,但就不是你啦
除了極少數的那種怪咖奇才,真正的天才大多在生活中就會嶄露頭角了
你他媽的,連自己最熟悉的本業收入都提昇不了了
你忽然跳到一個不熟悉的股票,就會忽然變天才?
2.紀律
我不貪心,我只要遵守投資紀律,我還是有機會贏那些專家
這點也很豪洨,光是你想來股市拼翻身,就是在貪了
講紀律?
那些大腕、老師都是用程式在跑的
你這個人身肉心的散戶,比紀律比的過那些冷血的程式?
退一百步講啦
那些大咖的資金,就算賠了個90%,搞不好都還有幾百萬可以過活
他們當然守的住紀律
你一個凡人上班族,賠了90%就去跳樓了啦!紀律?
3.聖杯
一堆散戶都以為自己慧眼獨具,不管是找到好的老師還是必勝的方程式
總認為自己一定能找到投資必勝的聖杯
但我看最後幾乎都變笑杯啦!
先不說真的有沒有聖杯這件事(但其實有,我文末會提)
如果今天真的有那種必勝心法,輪的到你
你還真以為你是金庸筆下的主角喔?
最強的武功祕笈、靈藥、最正的妹都被主角獨占喔?
天底下沒有這麼爽的事情啦!_
真的能被你知道的,能被你找到的,代表一大堆人都能知道了啦!
也就代表這個方法他的報酬率一定會被稀釋,不可能有什麼短期翻倍這麼爽的啦
那再回到原本的假設
如果今天股票領域,是屬於「實力」跟「努力」跟收益無關,
也就收益是隨機,靠運氣的呢?
(先講結論,依我看的資料,短期投資就是偏向這種情形)
那玩股票就跟玩輪盤一樣
你敢把你的家底拿去玩輪盤嗎?至少我不敢啦
所以一般上班族真的不要玩股票嗎?
這邊就要提到我的聖杯
其實對我ID有印象的人應該就知道
我講的就是綠角推廣的:指數化投資+資產配置(有興趣的自己去搜我的文,有懶人包)
我絕對不會跟你保證這個方法一定賺錢
所以你賠錢不要找我
但是我可以跟你說,這個方法在數學上就證明了,可以讓你賺到接近市場平均報酬率
而且這個方法也是最貼近投資的本質:投資市場,讓市場成長給你報酬
再者這個方法幾乎不會讓你有股票變壁紙的可能
但我也要說,這個方法的報酬率,也絕對無法跟那些股神相比
只能期待長期有10%上下的年化報酬率
這個方法應該是目前,對於絕大多數的人都適用,風險最低,報酬合理的投資法
重點是:幾乎不花你的時間,報酬率還能贏過市場一半的人
所以你用這個方法會讓投資很boring,最後連指數都懶的看,只好乖乖回去工作...
最後我給原PO結論:
先把錢慢慢還了,以後千萬不要借錢玩投機,看你應該不是天才,沒有這個命
真的想玩,可以考慮綠角法
重點是在沒錢的時候,應該要去投資自己
看你現在是代課老師,應該要努力成為正式老師
或是把握自己的專長、興趣,努力進修,看看還有沒有找到業外收入的可能
這點我自己也還在摸索,不能給你很好的建議,我只能給你大方向,
去book版多看他們建議的好書
另外其實很多有水準的講習可以多聽,從那些成功者中學習
但千萬不要去聽很詭異的老師、奇怪的潛能開發講習,
通常他們的特色就是跟股票名嘴一樣,很會吹說上過他們課就會多屌、收入翻倍
然後學費超高
投資自己,好好工作,這些都是很實在的,比那些高來高去虛幻的股票踏實多了
--
: 進入股市算一算也五年了
: 從一開始的權證,到現在的到期權
: 當初看了某小哥上節目
: 說權證多好賺多好賺
: 當初也是想如果股市能賺點生活也比較好過
: 沒想到現在連貸款的錢也還不出來了
: 要開學了,我的股市生活也終結了
: 過幾天要連絡銀行做負債協商了
: 一個月貸款2萬5,暑假沒薪水真的付不出來
: 雖然信用會破產,不過自己的人生也是自己要負責
: 這幾年也賠了150有了
: 現在就是默默把錢先還完再說了
原文恕刪
說真的,原本對這種畢業文都是當作笑話在看的
但這篇真的看到我滿難過,尤其又有人在底下回了一些鼓勵繼續投入的文,
讓我實在忍不住來發這篇....
老實講啦,就我生活的觀察,這篇文的原原PO就跟大部份投入股票的上班族一樣心態:
本業薪水不夠,也沒有能力提昇,所以看到一堆股神,就想用「投資」來翻身
投資股票的本意是什麼?
應該某間公司很優質,但缺乏資金,因此讓有錢的投資人投入資金,取得股份
讓缺錢的公司得以發展他的理想,而投資人也能取得這間公司成長的紅利
這應該是才是股票利潤的本質來源
但現在大部份的投資都是什麼?
目標都是買低賣高啦!
也就是老子就是慧眼獨具,能看到現在還沒漲的股票,
然後買了之後馬上猛漲,老子趕快找個替死鬼賣掉,我就賺錢拼翻倍啦!
這不是投資,因為你賺到的錢根本不是因為那間公司成長而來
而是因為奇奇怪怪的因素導致股價上漲,而某個人把股票買走後,你賺得的差價
簡單講就是「投機」
這跟投資不同,這是個是個零和賽局,你投入的資金並沒有創造實質的價值
你賺的錢不是因為公司有了你的資金,成長而得
就只是透過買賣從別人手中賺(賠)一筆差價
講難聽的,
你用這種方法在股市中賺到的一百萬,就代表這個世界上某個人或某群人損失了一百萬
我就直接說白了,這很像什麼?不就是賭博嗎!?
你當賭徒,目標就是其他賭徒手中的錢
最後賭局中一定賺錢的只有抽成的莊家,而對應股票就是劵商(傭金)跟政府(稅)
那現在回到問題點
原原PO這種散戶有機會在股市中贏錢嗎?
如果今天股票是屬於有「實力」跟「努力」,就能增加收益的領域的話
那原原PO一定死!你這種當代課老師再怎麼玩,玩的過專職的人嗎?
你時間一定沒有專職的人多
你的專業一定輸給那些財金科系的專家
你的消息一定沒有那些老江湖靈通
你的錢最後只會變成高手的糧食!
當然一般散戶一定也知道以上的因素,但他們最喜歡講的理由還有:
1.天資
我雖然在其他因素比不過那些財金專家,但誰知道我有沒有這個天資?
我搞不好就是那個萬中選一的股票天才啦!
我這邊就講難聽一點啦,天才搞不好真的會有,但就不是你啦
除了極少數的那種怪咖奇才,真正的天才大多在生活中就會嶄露頭角了
你他媽的,連自己最熟悉的本業收入都提昇不了了
你忽然跳到一個不熟悉的股票,就會忽然變天才?
2.紀律
我不貪心,我只要遵守投資紀律,我還是有機會贏那些專家
這點也很豪洨,光是你想來股市拼翻身,就是在貪了
講紀律?
那些大腕、老師都是用程式在跑的
你這個人身肉心的散戶,比紀律比的過那些冷血的程式?
退一百步講啦
那些大咖的資金,就算賠了個90%,搞不好都還有幾百萬可以過活
他們當然守的住紀律
你一個凡人上班族,賠了90%就去跳樓了啦!紀律?
3.聖杯
一堆散戶都以為自己慧眼獨具,不管是找到好的老師還是必勝的方程式
總認為自己一定能找到投資必勝的聖杯
但我看最後幾乎都變笑杯啦!
先不說真的有沒有聖杯這件事(但其實有,我文末會提)
如果今天真的有那種必勝心法,輪的到你
你還真以為你是金庸筆下的主角喔?
最強的武功祕笈、靈藥、最正的妹都被主角獨占喔?
天底下沒有這麼爽的事情啦!_
真的能被你知道的,能被你找到的,代表一大堆人都能知道了啦!
也就代表這個方法他的報酬率一定會被稀釋,不可能有什麼短期翻倍這麼爽的啦
那再回到原本的假設
如果今天股票領域,是屬於「實力」跟「努力」跟收益無關,
也就收益是隨機,靠運氣的呢?
(先講結論,依我看的資料,短期投資就是偏向這種情形)
那玩股票就跟玩輪盤一樣
你敢把你的家底拿去玩輪盤嗎?至少我不敢啦
所以一般上班族真的不要玩股票嗎?
這邊就要提到我的聖杯
其實對我ID有印象的人應該就知道
我講的就是綠角推廣的:指數化投資+資產配置(有興趣的自己去搜我的文,有懶人包)
我絕對不會跟你保證這個方法一定賺錢
所以你賠錢不要找我
但是我可以跟你說,這個方法在數學上就證明了,可以讓你賺到接近市場平均報酬率
而且這個方法也是最貼近投資的本質:投資市場,讓市場成長給你報酬
再者這個方法幾乎不會讓你有股票變壁紙的可能
但我也要說,這個方法的報酬率,也絕對無法跟那些股神相比
只能期待長期有10%上下的年化報酬率
這個方法應該是目前,對於絕大多數的人都適用,風險最低,報酬合理的投資法
重點是:幾乎不花你的時間,報酬率還能贏過市場一半的人
所以你用這個方法會讓投資很boring,最後連指數都懶的看,只好乖乖回去工作...
最後我給原PO結論:
先把錢慢慢還了,以後千萬不要借錢玩投機,看你應該不是天才,沒有這個命
真的想玩,可以考慮綠角法
重點是在沒錢的時候,應該要去投資自己
看你現在是代課老師,應該要努力成為正式老師
或是把握自己的專長、興趣,努力進修,看看還有沒有找到業外收入的可能
這點我自己也還在摸索,不能給你很好的建議,我只能給你大方向,
去book版多看他們建議的好書
另外其實很多有水準的講習可以多聽,從那些成功者中學習
但千萬不要去聽很詭異的老師、奇怪的潛能開發講習,
通常他們的特色就是跟股票名嘴一樣,很會吹說上過他們課就會多屌、收入翻倍
然後學費超高
投資自己,好好工作,這些都是很實在的,比那些高來高去虛幻的股票踏實多了
--
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