小輕原油成交紀錄討論 - 期貨
By Agnes
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先謝謝大家的建議,我來更新一下後續的處理方式
直接說重點...我要公布這家期貨商就是大家猜測的元大沒錯
昨天4/24下午我已經去證期局立案申訴,案件編號: 202004I01347
我目前的看法是,過這麼多天期貨商在電話完全避談與解釋成交紀錄
提不出任何明確證據,而要約我出來談
我認為塞其他虧損單給我的可能性相當高,我想應該是比0.05更高,因為成交時間是4/20
所以打死不解釋
雖然是我的個案申訴,會不會有其他人有被陰了而不自知...機率應該很大!!!
希望金管會能全面調查而不是個案處理
希望能靠版友、媒體朋友幫高調、形成輿論壓力讓金管會高層能重視此問題
立即驅動檢調去搜索,對方副總都出來耍賴了...還有什麼事不敢做?
一定要有專業的IT人員介入調查,電腦都扣住...以免他們作手腳
未經我授權同意將我國內的錢轉國外...這種土匪行徑,不知道虧到是不是要跑路了
昨晚期貨商直接把我的系統鎖住(顯示非電子交易戶無法使用),不讓我進去看任何資料了
還好沖銷明細、成交紀錄我已完整截圖,電話也有錄音紀錄
去證期局立案的方式分享給大家....
證期局網址 https://www.sfb.gov.tw/ch/index.jsp
網頁上方-> 便民服務 -> 民意信箱 -> 點上方"寫信給我們"-> 開始陳述 ->上傳檔案
最後會留個人資料,以及用e-mail確認
最後會附上我的format給大家參考...
接下來我不曉得金管會是否會有大動作...這麼大的公司,政商關係肯定是很好吧...
希望大家都上證期局反應捍衛自己的權益
愈多去證期局立案對我們愈有利
事情的嚴重性,我想金管會要查的不僅僅是系統下單的問題
更重要的是如何防止期貨商後台和國外系統成交有無被竄改
全部交易小輕原油的單子裡,有多少是期貨商自己或親朋好友的部位
都應該要調查
接下來就是委託律師提告討回我的保證金以及信用損失了。
感謝大家的建議與支持。
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[姓名] xxx
[電話] xxxxxxxxxx
[期貨帳號] F021919、帳號xxxxxxx
[申訴事件]
1. 商品成交在14.15,下跌到11、12或7~8時,離4/21 02:30結算前還有很長一段時間,
維持率早已低於75%,但依結果期貨商聲稱他們未砍倉,須查明。
2. 期貨商系統在商品結算前即顯示查無此商品,導致本人無法自行平倉,亦可能是早已
砍倉,須查明。
3. 系統有明確成交時間及金額的紀錄,成交時間4/20價格0.05,已截圖拍照備份,依此
證據明顯是期貨商將其他虧損單塞給我,須查明是否成交在更高的價位。
4. 未經本人同意,私自操作出入金國內外戶轉,強行將本人國內的錢轉到國外,當下立
即致電反應,但對方拒絕轉回國內。
[期貨交易案件過程描述]
4/20晚上05小輕原油約跌了24~26%時,在14.15買了一口
晚上後來跌倒12、10、8 維持率早就不足75%了。離結算時間4/21兩點半還很久,期貨商
還沒有砍倉,當時就覺得奇怪。我自己則是沒想過會有負值這種事,經驗告訴我洗完一定
會大反彈,就放著靜待反彈再出。
後來看到只剩1、2元,0.x...當下第一次按下去想平倉,結果出現找不到此商品。後來有
看到負值出現(負個位數字)直覺是系統問題,再點商品想平倉還是顯示無此商品。當下
是認爲系統掛了。
隔天期貨商通知要我補錢,說是成交在結算價-37。後來查詢沖銷成交明細,系統紀錄是
0.05成交。
沖銷紀錄是依成交時間排的,我確認過日期同一天系統還是會依順序排的。因為當晚我很
確定自己平倉幾口白金的時間是在4/20晚上到4/21兩點半前。所以沖銷紀錄很明確,在
4/20晚上12點前就成交了。
4/21 傳成交紀錄給營業員周先生,周先生回覆會幫忙確認
4/21 一位陳襄理主管回電說,會幫忙處理申訴但要求我先補錢,我說系統 成交紀錄很
明確,請對方回覆為何帳單和系統紀錄不同及提出證據證明。
4/22 一位女性主管(業務員說是協理)致電了解我的申訴,當下也覺得有0.05的成交紀錄
....那的確很奇怪,答應我要回去查系統。
4/23 白天等了一整天沒通知,傍晚時我把所有成交紀錄整理成檔案傳給營業員周先生,
期貨商一位女主管(協理?)和副總回電給我,依然不在電話裡說明成交紀錄的事,只有一
直強調要先補錢,會處理我的申訴,要約我見面談。我明確回覆已經兩天了還沒提出證據
,請查明清楚提出明確證據我才會補錢。
4/24 早上元大請營業員周先生通知我要補錢,我說我已出示系統成交紀錄,系統不會騙
人。拒絕補錢並要求拿出證據。其後便發現AM10:12對方在未經我同意下將期貨戶頭國內
的錢轉入國外待沖銷。4/21周先生有告知國內及國外是分開的互不影響,這明顯違法侵權
及背信。當下致電說明他們未經我本人同意不可將我國內的錢轉國外,對方居然說剛剛有
以e-mail通知。當下我主張未經我的同意,要求轉回國內並提出證據說明成交紀錄,對方
主管陳襄理說他也沒辦法。
對方從頭到尾,未說明成交紀錄與要求補繳之帳單不符,也沒有出示任何證據即強扣我的
保證金,請證期局幫忙調查,感謝您。
※ 引述《Brad27 (one)》之銘言:
: 標題: [問題] 小輕原油成交紀錄討論
: 時間: Thu Apr 23 22:15:33 2020
:
:
: 4/20晚上好像是跌了24~26%時
: 14.15接了一口05小輕原油
: 晚上後來跌倒12、10、8 維持率早就不足75%了。離結算時間4/21兩點半還很久,期貨商還
: 沒有砍倉,當時就覺得奇怪。我自己則是沒想過會有負值這種事,經驗告訴我洗完一定會大
: 反彈,就放著靜待反彈再出。
: 後來看到只剩1、2元,0.x...當下第一次按下去想平倉,結果出現找不到此商品。後來有看
: 到負值出現(負個位數字)直覺是系統問題,再點商品想平倉還是顯示無此商品。當下是認
: 爲系統掛了。
: 隔天期貨商通知要我補錢,是成交在結算價-37。
:
: 後來查詢沖銷成交明細,系統紀錄是0.05有成交
:
: 沖銷紀錄是成交時間排的,我確認過日期同一天系統還是會依順序排的。因為當晚我很確定
: 自己平倉幾口白金的時間是在4/20晚上到4/21兩點半前。所以沖銷紀錄很明確,在4/20晚上
: 12點前就成交在0.05了。
:
: 我說這是系統的成交記錄不是掛單紀錄,昨天期貨商協理回覆我這樣的確很奇怪,會查詢系
: 統確認
:
: 今天拖到傍晚說要約我見面談。要我先補錢
:
: 我堅持系統的紀錄不會騙人除非你們拿出證據
: 已經過兩天了,他們還沒辦法拿出證據
: 只說要我先補錢,他們會繼續處理我的申訴
:
: 想問問大家的看法
:
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