[問題] 請運選擇權帳戶原先30多萬,幾秒쐠… - 期貨
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作者: harry901 (forcing to A cup) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [轉錄][問題] 請運選擇權帳戶原先30多萬,幾秒쐠…
時間: Tue Jan 25 01:29:48 2011
※ 引述《klm (唐吉柯德的宿命)》之銘言:
: 這案例真的可以寫到教科書了..
: 還好是一個人出事,如果是批量性的就是在一次的黑色星期五..@@
沒錯
這個案例真的應該寫進教科書才對
因為事情的嚴重性已經破壞金融秩序了
: 我相信連選擇權的設計者都畫不出這個圖..
選擇權的設計者是誰? 最早可以追溯到17世紀荷蘭鬱金香交易
你說的圖是什麼圖? 如果是選擇權的希臘字母圖的話有好多可以畫
但我想你應該是指損益平衡圖 那當然可以畫
只是你可能沒瞭解苦主真正負債的原因 一直以為這些交易是違反教科書的內容
: 選擇權的{買}方,可以出現超過權利金的損失....
: 真的可以領諾貝爾經濟學獎了....讚~~
你提的圖跟苦主遇到的狀況是兩碼子事情 你這樣一提反而混淆大家的視聽
苦主用市價單下單1000口 帳戶現金30w左右 約可成交30w/50=6000點
當苦主用市價單一丟出要買put1000口時 瞬間可以吃掉很多要賣put的單子
只是成交的總口數加總的點數超過本金30w或6000點時
苦主的帳戶內應該是沒有錢可以再買才對
在此之前所畫的損益平衡圖都符合理論 沒有什麼諾不諾貝爾獎的問題
問題在於帳戶內沒有錢了 券商居然還讓苦主下單 這就有問題了
而且都沒有擋 這對券商的系統來說是很嚴重的事情 這樣的系統誰敢用阿
op板的討論很多 你應該多看看 有很多種可能
之後都是屬於借貸行為 跟損益平衡圖扯上關係就不對了
: 有沒有高手出來畫圖一下...科科
這樣 懂了嗎?
: ※ 引述《kiwi780702 (小楓)》之銘言:
: : 作者: sasa999 (= =a) 看板: Option
: : 標題: [問題] 請運選擇權帳戶原先30多萬,幾秒鐘負債近千萬..我該怎麼辦??
: : 時間: Mon Jan 24 21:44:51 2011
: : 這是上星期五發生在我身上的事
: : 平常我就會下1.2百口很低價(3~5點)的選擇權
: : 當天我按1000口put的市價單
: : 我以為掛著慢慢成交,價格不會差那麼多
: : 結果幾秒鐘之後的事情嚇到我了
: : 我帳戶的平倉損益 從+4萬多
: : 瞬間變負的近千萬
: : 成交的點數平均360左右(起初只有3.4點)
: : 我嚇到 想說是怎樣 是不是下單系統出了問題
: : 因為印象中 選擇權買方 不是頂多賠光光嗎
: : 買方沒有保證金的問題
: : 最多扣完了 就不讓我下單了啊!!
: : 怎麼會這樣
: : 又不是做賣方或是做期貨 有保證金跟追繳的問題
: : 怎麼連作選擇權買方 也會有負債的事發生
: : 不知道要不要請求財團法人法律扶助基金會???
: : 現在很急很慌
: : 不知道怎麼辦
: : 已經收到追繳通知跟簡訊了
: : 拜託大家給意見或是什麼看法都好
: : 我問過長輩
: : 剛好長輩有朋友是營業員
: : 當下他以為我是不是在什麼地下期貨公司被騙了
: : 我說不是耶.....還是上市的......
: : 我很疑惑的是
: : 系統應該會自動計算我可下單權利金的金額
: : 怎麼會搞成這種狀況......
: : ------------------------------------
: : 補充一下八卦:
: : op買方只需支付權利金..(意思就是錢最多就只能買那麼多)
: : 苦主帳戶金額約300k ...掛市價單買入
: : 結果錢扣完了還繼續成交...這算不算八卦?
--
作者: harry901 (forcing to A cup) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [轉錄][問題] 請運選擇權帳戶原先30多萬,幾秒쐠…
時間: Tue Jan 25 01:29:48 2011
※ 引述《klm (唐吉柯德的宿命)》之銘言:
: 這案例真的可以寫到教科書了..
: 還好是一個人出事,如果是批量性的就是在一次的黑色星期五..@@
沒錯
這個案例真的應該寫進教科書才對
因為事情的嚴重性已經破壞金融秩序了
: 我相信連選擇權的設計者都畫不出這個圖..
選擇權的設計者是誰? 最早可以追溯到17世紀荷蘭鬱金香交易
你說的圖是什麼圖? 如果是選擇權的希臘字母圖的話有好多可以畫
但我想你應該是指損益平衡圖 那當然可以畫
只是你可能沒瞭解苦主真正負債的原因 一直以為這些交易是違反教科書的內容
: 選擇權的{買}方,可以出現超過權利金的損失....
: 真的可以領諾貝爾經濟學獎了....讚~~
你提的圖跟苦主遇到的狀況是兩碼子事情 你這樣一提反而混淆大家的視聽
苦主用市價單下單1000口 帳戶現金30w左右 約可成交30w/50=6000點
當苦主用市價單一丟出要買put1000口時 瞬間可以吃掉很多要賣put的單子
只是成交的總口數加總的點數超過本金30w或6000點時
苦主的帳戶內應該是沒有錢可以再買才對
在此之前所畫的損益平衡圖都符合理論 沒有什麼諾不諾貝爾獎的問題
問題在於帳戶內沒有錢了 券商居然還讓苦主下單 這就有問題了
而且都沒有擋 這對券商的系統來說是很嚴重的事情 這樣的系統誰敢用阿
op板的討論很多 你應該多看看 有很多種可能
之後都是屬於借貸行為 跟損益平衡圖扯上關係就不對了
: 有沒有高手出來畫圖一下...科科
這樣 懂了嗎?
: ※ 引述《kiwi780702 (小楓)》之銘言:
: : 作者: sasa999 (= =a) 看板: Option
: : 標題: [問題] 請運選擇權帳戶原先30多萬,幾秒鐘負債近千萬..我該怎麼辦??
: : 時間: Mon Jan 24 21:44:51 2011
: : 這是上星期五發生在我身上的事
: : 平常我就會下1.2百口很低價(3~5點)的選擇權
: : 當天我按1000口put的市價單
: : 我以為掛著慢慢成交,價格不會差那麼多
: : 結果幾秒鐘之後的事情嚇到我了
: : 我帳戶的平倉損益 從+4萬多
: : 瞬間變負的近千萬
: : 成交的點數平均360左右(起初只有3.4點)
: : 我嚇到 想說是怎樣 是不是下單系統出了問題
: : 因為印象中 選擇權買方 不是頂多賠光光嗎
: : 買方沒有保證金的問題
: : 最多扣完了 就不讓我下單了啊!!
: : 怎麼會這樣
: : 又不是做賣方或是做期貨 有保證金跟追繳的問題
: : 怎麼連作選擇權買方 也會有負債的事發生
: : 不知道要不要請求財團法人法律扶助基金會???
: : 現在很急很慌
: : 不知道怎麼辦
: : 已經收到追繳通知跟簡訊了
: : 拜託大家給意見或是什麼看法都好
: : 我問過長輩
: : 剛好長輩有朋友是營業員
: : 當下他以為我是不是在什麼地下期貨公司被騙了
: : 我說不是耶.....還是上市的......
: : 我很疑惑的是
: : 系統應該會自動計算我可下單權利金的金額
: : 怎麼會搞成這種狀況......
: : ------------------------------------
: : 補充一下八卦:
: : op買方只需支付權利金..(意思就是錢最多就只能買那麼多)
: : 苦主帳戶金額約300k ...掛市價單買入
: : 結果錢扣完了還繼續成交...這算不算八卦?
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