全球市值前60大企業排名 台積電全球第17 - 股票
By Olga
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這位版友看來連產業大概都不太了解.....
越做越小的我大GG獨特的地位在哪裡你大概都不知道吧
Intel是晶片設計+自己製造的一條龍模式,晶片設計上Intel確實很屌
(當然最近消費級的好像被香香雞全面輾壓了,伺服器也在被進攻中)
TSMC專注在代工上面,雖然叫做代工,但晶片代工跟做衣服鞋子代工差很多了
我們用個最簡單的講法好了
TSMC為什麼純產品利潤可以拉到快50% 甚至還比Apple硬體利潤還高?
假如像是做衣服鞋子代工那麼簡單,中國早就全面搞爛市場了好嗎
我講個最簡單的好了 BOSCH有B2C BU,也有B2B BU
B2B BU那些解決方案賺錢賺到翻過來,反而那些B2C的東西都是低毛利在賣的
B2B solution像是那些電控、汽車EHB、燃油噴射系統blablabla
一堆理論級的東西還是要靠TSMC下去一起做才做得出來啦
BTW 你要怎麼回答TSMC光是產品利潤就是接近50%這個數字?
我跟你說,Iphone大家吹捧得要死的東西,產品利潤還比TSMC還低
***2017~2018還靠著DRAM溢價撐住營收,消費級產品早就開始衰退了
至於傳產那些事業體到了2019年早就崩崩了,扯***沒在看財報吧
***強在什麼地方? 就是當景氣下滑的時候大家龜起來想過冬,他靠著上下游一條龍
一方面可以減少虧損大家一起攤,一方面持續做資本支出等景氣回溫讓別人追不上
問題是碰到GG這種技術和現金流都很強大的公司就只能苦苦追趕
***目前7nm都還在跟良率掙扎,其實早在10nm就已經被看破會漏尿了
至於明年GG喊出量產5nm,***大概又是要削價虧本接單來練功
你是不是出來反串的阿
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越做越小的我大GG獨特的地位在哪裡你大概都不知道吧
推 abel0201 : 這些高科技產業的停電編號排在一般用戶之後 12/16 00:44
→ abel0201 : 就算台灣現在缺電了 也是優先供應給這些高科技產業 12/16 00:45
→ abel0201 : 就算缺水了也要優先供應給這些產業 12/16 00:45
→ abel0201 : 之前電量不太夠 分區輪流限電 這些產業可不用限電 12/16 00:47
→ abel0201 : intel的實力還是屌打台G 只是他只作高階的... 12/16 00:48
推 abel0201 : 你隨便問個台G裡面的人 他也會說intel比較屌... 12/16 00:50
TSMC和Intel商業模式根本不一樣,我不太懂你在比什麼? Intel是晶片設計+自己製造的一條龍模式,晶片設計上Intel確實很屌
(當然最近消費級的好像被香香雞全面輾壓了,伺服器也在被進攻中)
TSMC專注在代工上面,雖然叫做代工,但晶片代工跟做衣服鞋子代工差很多了
我們用個最簡單的講法好了
TSMC為什麼純產品利潤可以拉到快50% 甚至還比Apple硬體利潤還高?
假如像是做衣服鞋子代工那麼簡單,中國早就全面搞爛市場了好嗎
→ abel0201 : 全世界沒有像台灣 資源這麼困乏 水電還這麼便宜的@@ 12/16 00:51
推 abel0201 : 以前歐美有做現在沒做 真的是因為環保 工資問題 12/16 00:54
推 abel0201 : 當然台G也是很厲害啦...不過台灣環境真的幫了不少 12/16 00:56
推 abel0201 : 台G一個工程師年薪1.200萬 好棒棒? 國外一個作業 12/16 00:58
→ abel0201 : 員也1.200萬....當然以台灣環境比是不錯 拿到國外是 12/16 00:58
→ abel0201 : 被吊打的...12/16 00:58
推 abel0201 : SB嗎?lntel只做自己品牌的工廠都做不夠賣惹...根 12/16 10:27
→ abel0201 : 本不削搞代工... 12/16 10:27
→ abel0201 : GG人事費用不高是因為他在低薪國家...川普叫他移去 12/16 10:29
→ abel0201 : 美國敢移嗎?人事成本不知道多幾倍... 12/16 10:29
推 abel0201 : 啊不是最愛酸代工霸主還是只是個代工 只賺血汗錢, 12/16 10:30
→ abel0201 : 代工霸主鴻海不是都被噴 12/16 10:30
就是有你這種人,以為B2C才叫做品牌,B2B都不叫做品牌 我講個最簡單的好了 BOSCH有B2C BU,也有B2B BU
B2B BU那些解決方案賺錢賺到翻過來,反而那些B2C的東西都是低毛利在賣的
B2B solution像是那些電控、汽車EHB、燃油噴射系統blablabla
推 abel0201 : 你台G的10萬夜鷹改去其他先進國家 人事成本壓死你 12/16 10:32
推 abel0201 : 做不起來?機台都從美日進口的... 12/16 10:34
推 abel0201 : 不是tsmc對手?廢話 intel根本不削做代工了... 12/16 10:34
→ abel0201 : 以為台灣靠個台G就能吃香喝辣 在國際走跳?真的想 12/16 10:35
→ abel0201 : 太多了... 12/16 10:35
推 abel0201 : 不然機台 台g自己研發的嗎... 12/16 10:37
→ abel0201 : 機台都進口的...人家前面錢就給你賺走了...後面的 12/16 10:39
機台早就是TSMC+***+ASML一起合作研發了 一堆理論級的東西還是要靠TSMC下去一起做才做得出來啦
BTW 你要怎麼回答TSMC光是產品利潤就是接近50%這個數字?
我跟你說,Iphone大家吹捧得要死的東西,產品利潤還比TSMC還低
→ abel0201 : 高耗能 高污染 高人力留給你搞 12/16 10:39
推 abel0201 : 你以為高科技產業只有晶圓代工有賺頭? 12/16 10:40
推 abel0201 : 多強?讓台灣跟著變世界強權嗎xd 12/16 10:56
→ abel0201 : intel 三星那些可不是靠個晶圓在生存... 12/16 10:57
你提***幹嘛,你知道其實2017年開始***就出很大的問題了嗎? ***2017~2018還靠著DRAM溢價撐住營收,消費級產品早就開始衰退了
至於傳產那些事業體到了2019年早就崩崩了,扯***沒在看財報吧
***強在什麼地方? 就是當景氣下滑的時候大家龜起來想過冬,他靠著上下游一條龍
一方面可以減少虧損大家一起攤,一方面持續做資本支出等景氣回溫讓別人追不上
問題是碰到GG這種技術和現金流都很強大的公司就只能苦苦追趕
***目前7nm都還在跟良率掙扎,其實早在10nm就已經被看破會漏尿了
至於明年GG喊出量產5nm,***大概又是要削價虧本接單來練功
你是不是出來反串的阿
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