中國可能長期陷入通縮的主要原因 - 股票QA
By Jake
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: 中國目前最核心的問題不是房產也不是企業外移
: 而是未富先老帶來的養老黑洞
: 和發達國家相比,未富先老之所以嚴重
: 是因發達國家大多會趁年輕人多老人少的時候累積大量社保結餘
: 而中國年輕人多的時候還很窮,沒收到什麼錢,經濟好不容易初有成果就老齡化,經濟上
: 來,老人維持生活品質的成本就大幅上升
: 要就一直有錢,累積很多社保結餘
: 要就一直窮,老人對退休金要求不高
: 中國這處境有點尷尬
: 過往收到的錢少,現在要支出的錢多,人口結構還很差
: 而中共遇到問題就丟給人民最省事,每年加社保其實就是找名目變相對企業與員工的變相
: 加稅
: 未來的作法有兩種
: 1.
: 降低退休公務員工資及福利、發行國債擴大赤字填補社保缺口、十年內完成延長退休到65
: 歲
: 2.
: 繼續增加企業個人社保稅、想辦法讓零工約聘都要繳社保、分30年延長退休、各種創意花
: 式薅人民羊毛等等
: 考量到制定政策的人和地方執行者自己要退休,以及公務員、軍警是共產黨的基本盤,2
: 的機會稍微高一點,畢竟2也算是中國5000年傳統手藝了
: 很多人會建議中國可以怎樣怎樣做
: 但重點是 為什麼需要呢?
: 日本房價跌超過一半不也好好的沒崩?
: 中國經濟好不好 主要是華爾街和小粉紅在意
: 官員比較在意不要晚退休 退休福利待遇不能少
: 不要因為讓人民少繳費影響到我其它預算
: 上面沒交代不要自己搞事 影響我休息時間
: 維尼在意退休軍警和高幹要安撫好 不要窩裡反
: 其它的都是次要
: 屁民死活更是不重要 已經低薪政府還要拿一半
: 就已經說明沒在管屁民死活
: 中國的社保黑洞會讓中國人長期變相減薪
: 因此通縮的格局很難改變
: 我覺得這是多數人忽略的
: 也可以觀察看看中國內需股的表現
=_>=/ 你好,我好,大家好,我是賠30%的肥宅佬啦。
最主要的其實都不是什麼債務問題,退休問題。
重點就是,錢印不夠多。
美國債務有比中國少嗎?沒有啊,但人家貨幣地位就在那邊。
QE,QQQQQQQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE爆了,還是爽過。
中國M1M2去看看,會發現我上次說的08.14這兩年對比這20年來說,相當有趣。
已經逼不出錢來,也QE不起來,放水放到水庫快乾,還是無用,枯水的水庫就是沒水。
我不能說水庫被偷接水管,這到處都有,只是中國水管比較多而已。
理性討論下,除了沒錢外,各地高築的城投問題,房企超高債務外。
就是人民幣其實並沒有想像中的強勢,雖然一直想稱霸做亞元,
但是,不是他說了算。
我之前文章也說過,當時該倒的某些房企硬死要救,這就很中國式玩法。
(雖然現在美國也是搞這套,小農會絕不能倒,發錢救就對了。)
人口老化,通膨,通縮,少子化,都是假議題。看看日本就知道,
說了1X年人口老化,還不就是這樣。股市還能創新高呢(笑
目前就大佬你說的外,我看到的是國民的超額消費。
大概就是我們卡債風暴那時候的感覺,但是問題多了50倍以上的數量
房,車,炫富等等問題,都是透支消費,其中,房更是一個大問題,
配上最近房產降溫降價,消費降級的深層就是:房貸卡住消費。
這就陷入中國內需撐不起內企生產的死循環。
我覺得這才是問題,後續就看到中國那方面的政策處理。
說個股點,感謝上次跟版友討論糧食問題,原物料跌,糧商其實賺更多。
不建議入手原物料,建議入手糧食公司。
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: 而是未富先老帶來的養老黑洞
: 和發達國家相比,未富先老之所以嚴重
: 是因發達國家大多會趁年輕人多老人少的時候累積大量社保結餘
: 而中國年輕人多的時候還很窮,沒收到什麼錢,經濟好不容易初有成果就老齡化,經濟上
: 來,老人維持生活品質的成本就大幅上升
: 要就一直有錢,累積很多社保結餘
: 要就一直窮,老人對退休金要求不高
: 中國這處境有點尷尬
: 過往收到的錢少,現在要支出的錢多,人口結構還很差
: 而中共遇到問題就丟給人民最省事,每年加社保其實就是找名目變相對企業與員工的變相
: 加稅
: 未來的作法有兩種
: 1.
: 降低退休公務員工資及福利、發行國債擴大赤字填補社保缺口、十年內完成延長退休到65
: 歲
: 2.
: 繼續增加企業個人社保稅、想辦法讓零工約聘都要繳社保、分30年延長退休、各種創意花
: 式薅人民羊毛等等
: 考量到制定政策的人和地方執行者自己要退休,以及公務員、軍警是共產黨的基本盤,2
: 的機會稍微高一點,畢竟2也算是中國5000年傳統手藝了
: 很多人會建議中國可以怎樣怎樣做
: 但重點是 為什麼需要呢?
: 日本房價跌超過一半不也好好的沒崩?
: 中國經濟好不好 主要是華爾街和小粉紅在意
: 官員比較在意不要晚退休 退休福利待遇不能少
: 不要因為讓人民少繳費影響到我其它預算
: 上面沒交代不要自己搞事 影響我休息時間
: 維尼在意退休軍警和高幹要安撫好 不要窩裡反
: 其它的都是次要
: 屁民死活更是不重要 已經低薪政府還要拿一半
: 就已經說明沒在管屁民死活
: 中國的社保黑洞會讓中國人長期變相減薪
: 因此通縮的格局很難改變
: 我覺得這是多數人忽略的
: 也可以觀察看看中國內需股的表現
=_>=/ 你好,我好,大家好,我是賠30%的肥宅佬啦。
最主要的其實都不是什麼債務問題,退休問題。
重點就是,錢印不夠多。
美國債務有比中國少嗎?沒有啊,但人家貨幣地位就在那邊。
QE,QQQQQQQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE爆了,還是爽過。
中國M1M2去看看,會發現我上次說的08.14這兩年對比這20年來說,相當有趣。
已經逼不出錢來,也QE不起來,放水放到水庫快乾,還是無用,枯水的水庫就是沒水。
我不能說水庫被偷接水管,這到處都有,只是中國水管比較多而已。
理性討論下,除了沒錢外,各地高築的城投問題,房企超高債務外。
就是人民幣其實並沒有想像中的強勢,雖然一直想稱霸做亞元,
但是,不是他說了算。
我之前文章也說過,當時該倒的某些房企硬死要救,這就很中國式玩法。
(雖然現在美國也是搞這套,小農會絕不能倒,發錢救就對了。)
人口老化,通膨,通縮,少子化,都是假議題。看看日本就知道,
說了1X年人口老化,還不就是這樣。股市還能創新高呢(笑
目前就大佬你說的外,我看到的是國民的超額消費。
大概就是我們卡債風暴那時候的感覺,但是問題多了50倍以上的數量
房,車,炫富等等問題,都是透支消費,其中,房更是一個大問題,
配上最近房產降溫降價,消費降級的深層就是:房貸卡住消費。
這就陷入中國內需撐不起內企生產的死循環。
我覺得這才是問題,後續就看到中國那方面的政策處理。
說個股點,感謝上次跟版友討論糧食問題,原物料跌,糧商其實賺更多。
不建議入手原物料,建議入手糧食公司。
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