中國出口數據造假嚴重II - 股票QA

By Kyle
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上次我用中國越南進出口數據說明中國造假嚴重,因為理論上中國出口越南要等於越南進
口中國的值,然中國出口值卻比越南進口值高了42%(原文如下)
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1681912440.A.0B5.html
然而也收到一些反饋,有的說越南也是共產國家、沒有代表性,有的人說進出口計算方法
不能類比,所以我等他國出口數據出爐,也搜了一些中國牆內關於中國出口數據造假的文
章,希望能釐清這些問題
1. 1-4月中國出口馬來西亞比馬來西亞進口中國多了62%,甚至比越南更多
有人說光越南沒有代表性、越南也是共產國家也可能造假
我就找了馬來西亞,他是繼越南之後,中國對東盟的第二大出口國
數據是用馬幣計算,我用馬幣最值錢的值計算,得出馬來西亞進口中國的最大值是830億
*0.23=191億美元
https://i.imgur.com/cVijMg2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jRySK9a.jpg

再看中國海關數據,直接給你來個310億美元,直接虛增了62%,比越南的42%還扯
https://i.imgur.com/qQPvfGa.jpg

62%別再跟我講什麼統計不同了...
2.牆內也有經濟學者指出出口數據造假,前幾高贊留言都是認同
很多人覺得這就是灣灣見不得祖國經濟強大
我就找到牆內文章,似是某券商首席經濟學家寫得
這篇文章我後面會引用,先上圖和網址,文章很長,但也可以看出論證有理有據
https://i.imgur.com/GtMGL3O.jpg

下面是文章網址
https://m.163.com/dy/article/I4BGOU5V05562QC9.html?spss=adap_pc
因為論證詳實,可以看到高讚評論都表認可中國出口造假,甚至沒有人倒讚
https://i.imgur.com/vCL2muD.jpg

當中就有人提到動機是出口騙稅與維穩韭菜信心
連中國這麼多小粉紅都無倒讚的認同出口造假了,台灣還這麼多人幫中國護航真是奇觀
3. 根據中美雙方計算進出口的範圍規則,理論上中國出口美國應該要比美國進口中國值
低,但在2019年被打破,而且差越差越多
上次有些人會說什麼統計方法不同,又在黑中國
這篇人家直接把中國、美國統計進出口的計算公式、方法寫出來,
屌打一堆丟下一句話”統計方法不同”卻說不出哪裡不同的人
https://i.imgur.com/sakYrwJ.jpg

要護航的人至少也把人家進出口統計範圍到哪弄清楚吧
他的結論是,理論上中國出口應該要比美國進口低,在2019年被打破,而且差越差越多
下圖是中國出口額與美國進口額的差距
從出口額低於進口額到遠多於
https://i.imgur.com/QbnUVol.jpg

其實這篇文章還有用其他角度,比如出口工業值與出口值嚴重背離,之前都是呈現高度相
關
出口是由工業、農業、礦業三者組成,工業又佔當中75%,所以理論上應該有一致性才對
https://i.imgur.com/a63SmCs.jpg

還有很多論證可參考原文
https://m.163.com/dy/article/I4BGOU5V05562QC9.html?spss=adap_pc
4. 難道你比華爾街更懂嗎? 華爾街都不質疑你質疑什麼?
面對這問題,換個角度問,怎樣才算華爾街不信?
在彭博終端自己改官方數字嗎?
事實上,包括高盛、彭博早就都質疑過
https://i.imgur.com/498JaNt.jpg


難道每次中國出一次GDP、出口數字,外媒投行就要發篇報告嗎?
那不是其它什麼事都不用幹了
華爾街信不信,看他願不願意掏錢最實在
就像這裡一堆喊人民幣國際化然後存美元定存的人一樣
就算加上在美中概和港股,外資在中國股市的占比極低,甚至低於印度股市,比如Ray
Dalio好了,整天美國要完蛋中國崛起,結果中國相關部位根本不到3%根本口嫌體正直
華爾街捧中國,更像是說服中國投資他們,而不是說服美國人去投資中國
看中國外資佔比,像是他們信中國數字嗎?
5. 不可磨滅的證據是,中國出口、順差井噴,那怎麼外匯存底和海外淨資產數額變動不
大,甚至要透過限制外資流出方式留住外匯?
就像一個人整天說自己公司賺很多錢,但口袋裡卻沒錢,就知道他在吹牛
以國家層次,順差就是國家層次在賺錢,那照理來說中國這幾年帳面出口數字大好,外匯
存底或海外淨資產應該飆升,但顯然沒有
6. 中國限制外國機構訪問中國數據庫,數字維穩意圖明顯,信中國數字的被割剛好而已
雖然牆內文章結論都是不肖商人不法騙稅,但換個角度,不然他們還能說什麼?
但是結合最近這篇新聞,中國的數據終端系統萬得拒絕美國機構訪問
https://i.imgur.com/o4X4PWu.jpg

以共產黨永遠死亡不超過29人尿性
故事很可能是,貿易戰開打後,習近平下令穩住外貿
死命令下來就會制定相關KPI,之後命令向下傳導,下級官員就層層加戲,每上一級數字
越修越好看
畝產萬斤再到疫情封城,這劇本應該很熟悉了
比如習近平之前最在意的就是疫情防控,當年中國官員KPI最重要的就是疫情防控
其結果就是各地染疫數字被極度美化。
舉個例子,我有朋友在上海公司看到官方公布的染疫數笑著跟我說,照比例看來有一半上
海人在我們公司工作了
比較可能的應該是,貿易戰後,為了要展現出美國打貿易戰是般起石頭砸自己腳,小打小
贏大打大贏的強硬形象,習近平下達全力顧出口的命令,最後就變成官員大造假運動,這
劇本台灣人應該已經看70年了
7. 如果出口和進口額相當,中國第一季的GDP實際增長率是0.5%以內
從中國的外匯存底、海外淨資產幾乎沒變來看,中國目前的進出口額應該相差不大,如果
扣除第一季貿易順差貢獻的GDP約1.3兆人民幣,中國的GDP幾乎沒有增加
此外,中國的五一長假人數雖與19年比增長了20%,但消費卻不變,等於人均消費力下降
了16%,以此來看,明顯處於消費降級的趨勢中,消費要很好也很難
換個角度,中國經濟增長1%以下,似乎和他們20%的青年失業率還有滬深300k線圖比較相
稱
還有就是中國的名目gdp增長5%,但稅收卻是減少1.4%,這是什麼巫術?
https://i.imgur.com/quh6Txu.jpg

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