Dr事件之遊戲規則 - 股票

By Ula
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原文比較長,恕刪。
說真的我其實覺得要靠推文把自己的想法論述清楚其實很辛苦,
先上個懶人包
1.各位開證券戶的時候是否填具證券開戶契約書?->是
2.處置作業第六條是否載明與本次處置相關的程序?->是
3.本次處置原因是否已有具體條款且未執行->否
結論:從法規層面來看,他真的沒違法,
整件事情我只覺得即刻執行確實有點粗暴。
首先為什麼要提證券開戶契約書?
因為這是各位投資人踏入市場的一切起源。
在這份開戶契約書上,只要各位仔細找一定會有一段話:
「委託人願與乙方工同遵守下列條款:證券交易所章程、營業細則...
有關公告事項、修訂章則等.....上開法令章則、公告函釋等
如有修正者亦同」
也就是說,各位你在踏入市場的時候你就同意要遵循證交所的相關規範了。
所以接下來的討論裡面,就不會有「證交所的定位問題」
畢竟你開戶的時候都同意要遵守他的規範了不是嗎?
因此我們可以把焦點放在這次的處置是不是依規進行與是否合理上。
我們先來看一下處置作業第六條,
https://twse-regulation.twse.com.tw/TW/law/DAT0201.aspx?FLCODE=FL007225
...或本公司認為有價證券之交易異常有嚴重影響市場交割安全之虞時,
或有其他維護市場秩序及交易安全之必要情形,
經提報監視業務督導會報決議,得採取下列處置措施:
一、依第二項或第三項辦理,但必要時得調整如下:
(一)該有價證券以人工管制撮合終端機執行撮合作業時間。
(二)投資人委託買賣該有價證券時預收一定比例或全部買進價金或賣出
證券或融資自備款或融券保證金。
(三)該有價證券處置期間。
前面其實還有一些條文啦,但原則上都是依據第四條的注意事項,
分別規範如果觸犯幾次注意第四條之幾要怎麼處置。
所以我們得先回頭去看DR被處置的原因是甚麼?為何集體針對DR做處置?
我們可以看一下26日證交所在新聞媒體的說法
「證交所因應TDR瘋漲,處置措施依據監視業務督導會報會議決議,
就TDR溢價顯著偏高者採取60分鐘(或20分鐘)撮合及預收款券之處置措施,
以維護投資人權益並提醒注意交易風險。
證交所也說,證券集中交易市場掛牌的13檔TDR近期普遍溢價過大,
雖分屬不同產業,卻常出現齊漲齊跌,實背離市場常態。」
重點在兩個地方:
1.處置原因是溢價顯著偏高
2.集體處置DR的原因是「分屬不同產業卻齊漲齊跌,背離市場常態。」
這段話我們簡稱叫做炒作。
如果各位要吵說溢價100%是怎麼樣異常了嗎?
請各位幫個忙,
找一下全球市場有幾個是高達8成DR類股同時溢價100%以上。
如果沒有,那很遺憾,今天各位遇到的溢價還真的就是異常的。
畢竟異常跟正常有時候區別就在於比例性的問題罷了。
我們再回頭去審視處置作業第四條的時候,
各位可以發現並沒有關於溢價相關的規範。
原因是只有像TDR這樣的商品可以明確定義是否溢價,
其次是因為DR本來就多少會有溢價發行的狀況,
只是證交所也沒想過TDR有一天會集體溢價到這種程度。
既然第六條的處置細則是依託在違反第四條的狀況下,
第四條又未載明,自然會採取透過監視業務督導會報會議決議的方式管理。
當進入這一條的時候其實處置的彈性非常大。
他可以依照會議決議調整處置期間、預收款券、信用交易成數。
一旦走入這一條,就沒有甚麼「循序漸進」的議題了。
我想到這裡已經很明確可以定義這次處置在程序上的合理性了。
一再爭論這些其實一點幫助都沒有。
唯一可以講得大概是處置的即刻性其實有一點粗暴。
但就像上次我說的,在我看來延後三天執行一樣逃不掉跌停鎖死。
因為現在的DR股有8成股價都是在一個畸形的狀態下。
最後我們來討論投資人的定義與保護投資人這件事。
我認為投資人的定義並不單指「已經持有這些股票的人」。
而是整個投資市場裡面的參與者都是投資人。
不管你是大戶還是散戶,妳都是投資人。
所以今天證交所做出這些處置就是為了要降溫,
保護的對象包含那些尚未持有,但卻被唬得一愣一愣的投資人。
更何況...此時此刻在上面的,有些人是真的不懂被騙進來的。
有些人卻大辣辣地告訴你,我就是在賭博。
我可以想像在車上的賭徒們看到消息的時候表情大概是又驚又怒吧。
驚是因為自己可能會變成最後一隻老鼠。
怒是因為覺得沒規範的東西怎麼可以說做就做。
遺憾的是,例外條款就是用在這種時候,
除了那些不懂的人,真的無辜者有多少?
台股不乏處置期間照樣天天拉漲停的個股,
所以你說跌停是因為處置,那就是個笑話。
會跌停只是因為那檔股票的本質就是不配這個價格,
週五同為DR被溢價處置的個股也有沒跌停的,就是一個最大的明證。
最後回應一下有關證交所有沒有先說這件事...
證交所前面有沒有發警示?
有,而且處置前還發了兩次,但你們把它當作笑話。
何況有人認真對待這件事,周四順利出場躲過一劫,
所以我說癥結點在於賭徒的僥倖罷了。
再者依照你的邏輯,請你看著第六條辦法告訴我,
哪一條有寫說他要開業務督導會議決議前得先公告大家才能開?
所以拜託不要再吵鬧著說沒人跟你們講會這樣,
有做的勇氣,就要有承擔的肩膀。
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